Mate, I was going to write a reply, but I don't think you want a discussion. Look at this:
> If you don't believe that an automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen then there won't ever be an intelligent discussion.
Your conclusion is that automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen. You say that there's no intelligent discussion if I don't accept that, and compare not believing it to believing in creationism.
I don't accept that medicine provided by others under threat of force is a fundamental right. I have well thought positions on this.
> And just to answer your question, yes - I would have you arrested.
I do respect that. I mean it scares the hell out of me, but at least you'll say it. Most people won't bite that bullet. I disagree on the borderline murder thing, because I don't think being born in the same place as someone makes you morally accountable to protect them without any say on your part or agreement between you.
But seriously - I don't want to be part of this system. I don't agree that being born in the same place as me makes me accountable for your life without my agreeing to be.
But you say:
"If you don't believe that an automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen then there won't ever be an intelligent discussion."
If you can't intelligently discuss this with me not agreeing with your conclusion, then it'd be kind of useless for me to continue huh? In fact, I reckon that no matter how many suggestions I put forth on a better way to save people's lives than a government run medical system, I don't think I'd change your mind.
Is it possible? Should I bother trying to explain, in that there's a chance I'd change your mind?
* If you can't intelligently discuss this with me not agreeing with your conclusion, then it'd be kind of useless for me to continue huh? *
It has been my experience, that no matter how smart and civilized, folks quickly start to sound ugly when it comes to health care. Take guests on Bill Maher show, for example. Proponents of a single payer system like myself quickly get called "communists" and it goes only down from there.
But sure, I am curious to hear how are you going to lower the cost of knee MRI exam from $1,100 to $80 (US vs Japan). You can even drop me a line if you want, my email is in my profile.
> If you don't believe that an automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen then there won't ever be an intelligent discussion.
Your conclusion is that automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen. You say that there's no intelligent discussion if I don't accept that, and compare not believing it to believing in creationism.
I don't accept that medicine provided by others under threat of force is a fundamental right. I have well thought positions on this.
> And just to answer your question, yes - I would have you arrested.
I do respect that. I mean it scares the hell out of me, but at least you'll say it. Most people won't bite that bullet. I disagree on the borderline murder thing, because I don't think being born in the same place as someone makes you morally accountable to protect them without any say on your part or agreement between you.
But seriously - I don't want to be part of this system. I don't agree that being born in the same place as me makes me accountable for your life without my agreeing to be.
But you say:
"If you don't believe that an automatic medical treatment is a basic right of any citizen then there won't ever be an intelligent discussion."
If you can't intelligently discuss this with me not agreeing with your conclusion, then it'd be kind of useless for me to continue huh? In fact, I reckon that no matter how many suggestions I put forth on a better way to save people's lives than a government run medical system, I don't think I'd change your mind.
Is it possible? Should I bother trying to explain, in that there's a chance I'd change your mind?