China's GDP (PPP) overtook the US in 2016. It is currently ~30% higher and will reach double by 2035. They haven't dropped bombs on foreign soil in over 40 years.

Who cares about a few Uygurs, right? Or the Chinese Seas. Or Tibet and Taiwan. You can say what you want, but China is not a silver lining.

Would you rather live next to a domestic abuser or a serial killer? That's the math a lot of countries are doing right now. It's hard for Americans to understand because they've never been invaded or even credibly threatened with invasion. (And yes, the US does plenty of domestic abuse too.)

Who cares about undocumented immigrants, or Venezuela, or Iran, or Iraq, or Afganistan, or Iraq a second time, or putting Iran into it's current situation by overthrowing a democratically elected government in the 1950s, or Hawaii, or the Virgin Islands, Indigenous people of North America etc etc.

Or Cuba…

Another brilliant humanitarian crisis caused entirely by the U.S. for no good reason at all.

I'm not arguing the USA is a good guy. Just that that doesn't make China any better.

China cannot be compared to the two warmongers, the US and Russia, in any dimension.

Tibetans, uyghurs, etc? Factories full of North Korean workers under the watchful eye of their overlords, modern slavery even of your own people.

As a Kiwi I look at the US, Russia, China, etc as the same. Even the UK (where I now live) is a scarier place than back home.

That's fair, because you're in a Western media environment, and the fact that you can see them as the same already proves my point.

How is the US better?

>What people want is stability. Not endless fucking wars.

this of course true for Tibet and Taiwan, too -- you just don't care because that's not where you live.

...and with that attitude globally, we get endless war.

You're a bit naive if you think China is a peace loving country that wouldn't bomb the living shit out of any opposing nation if they could do so without recourse

Even now they are posturing in their "South-Chinese Sea", or as the Filipino's like to call it, the "West-Phillipine Sea". Also, Taiwan, Hong Kong...

And then we haven't even talked about how nice they are to their own citizens.

China is growing in strength and moving towards a new global world order, and the way Trump is fucking up US supremacy at the moment, China might well succeed.

> And then we haven't even talked about how nice they are to their own citizens.

Oh no, I haven't heard about that lately. What are they doing? Building camps to mass-inter their own citizens? Disappearing people from airports and then lying about where they are being kept? Withholding welfare funds to punish political enemies? Murdering civilians in the street and calling them domestic terrorists? Employing legal threats to force companies to sell technology for domestic mass surveillance?

In its court filing, the US government admits that "In addition to refunding the IEEPA duties, CBP must also pay importers interest, as required by law." So one silver lining here is that we (because it is the taxpayers who ultimately pay) will actually pay more than was collected on tariffs once interest is considered.

The second silver lining is that, even if CBP does its job, there is another step where the Trump administration will certainly drag its feet again: "If it is determined upon liquidation or reliquidation that excess moneys have been deposited, such that a refund with interest is due to the importer, CBP certifies the refund and interest amounts to the Department of the Treasury, which then employs its own processes to disburse the certified amounts to the importers of record."

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.193...