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Just like Trump's tariff bs, I'm starting to think that for Putin's M.O. that we should be fighting fire with fire.

Why not send a couple ships to drag anchors across Russia's cables? "Oh we are but innocent fishermen" is still valid going the other way.

Then when Russia inevitably seizes and imprisons the crew, the international community can do the same for every Russian controlled ship with the bare minimum of suspicion.

Would be a pretty sucky mission though, so many risks of capture. But the Russian government does it because they don't care about their people and also the rest of the world is too toothless to do anything about it (until this occurrence at least, go Finland - but then they know Russia's tactics very well).

Russia has been doing a "stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself" to the world for too long, abusing the "nice" way we desperately try to see things, pretending even when it's obvious. Like they'll do something egregious and then when the West calls them out, suddenly their political mouthpieces are all "we can't believe that the West is making this shocking and provocative accusation which is of course completely false, EU are bullies!" and then the world responds by taking a step back, pretty much every single time.





-- Why not send a couple ships to drag anchors across Russia's cables? "Oh we are but innocent fishermen" is still valid going the other way.

-- Then when Russia inevitably seizes and imprisons the crew

Are you volunteering yourself for a vacation in a Russian gulag?


Hire some Russians to do it. Cruel, but…

Oh, not at all. I don't have the balls or the skills for that.

Though perhaps we could test some autonomous trawling vessels, you know, big tech company stuff. But as we know, software can sometimes be difficult and have...bugs... ;3


Just ask for some Ukrainian undersea drones to do the job, they will be happy to hurt Russia

The whole bug thing is interesting in the face of them spoofing gps so willingly.

the Ukrainian already destroyed a pipeline in the same region, is it worth an internet cable?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_Stream_pipelines_sabotage


It's still not confirmed who did that. Self sabotage by some European nation or even Russian is still up in the air.

Destroying that pipeline pushed Germany to act more against Russia (being officially unable to continue buying gas).

Historically anti russian states like Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Estonia or even NATO would have liked that.

Russia could have blown it up themselves to pin it on Ukraine to decrease support, but that doesn't seem to be the outcome.

Even germany could have blown it up to pivot their own politics.

It's a massive game of clue. It may become declassified in 20 years by whoever did it.


Would you say there are material differences between Nordstream and this?

He who fights monsters should take care not to become one in the process.

That you guys had presidents that didn’t fall into this trap is the reason you and I are ariund today.

William Inboden, The Peacemaker:

> In America’s last fight against totalitarianism, President Franklin Roosevelt had demanded the unconditional surrender of both Nazi Germany and imperial Japan. In the context of total war, against implacable dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Hideki Tojo, Roosevelt’s insistence on unconditional surrender made strategic sense. Such a demand did not fit the Cold War. Much as Reagan looked to Roosevelt and World War II as a model for how the free world should confront dictatorships in thrall to evil ideologies, in the case of the Cold War and the Soviet Union, calling for “unconditional surrender” from Moscow would have been delusional and foolhardy—especially since Reagan remained desperate to prevent the Cold War from turning hot and ending in nuclear apocalypse.




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