I forget the exact podcast, as I think he did a few different interviews. Might ...

		keiferski 71 days ago \| parent \| context \| favorite \| on: If you don't design your career, someone else will... I forget the exact podcast, as I think he did a few different interviews. Might have been this one? https://www.artofmanliness.com/people/fatherhood/podcast-108... The book itself is called The Preparation.