Nevermind the Waymos rolling by stopped school busses.

https://www.npr.org/2025/12/06/nx-s1-5635614/waymo-school-bu...

This seems solvable, no? Not saying it isn’t really damn important, but those have stop signs and flashing lights. It seems like they can fix that.

Solvable yes, but it's a perfect example of it not being solved yet despite this person's anecdotes.

Engineering problems aren't limited to a single solution anyhow. Anyone ruling out a camera based solution has very little imagination.

Unless it’s a mathematical proof, solved usually means works in the overwhelming majority of cases. It’s solved for all intents and purposes.

Waymo has barely seen the US. They just got on the highway and don't operate anywhere with snow.

If that's your definition of solved, be my guest, but it's a pretty silly one.

Highway? They’re in San Francisco my guy.

Detroit, Denver, Philadelphia and DC this year.

Yeah, it's been a month.

Indeed. The problem was already fixed.

You can cavil about this but it’s weak.

I mean if waymo had unequivocally solved the problem the country would be covered in them, and the only limit to their expansion would be how many cars they can produce. Currently they're limited by how quickly they can train on new areas, which is likely slowed by the fact they're using over 20 sensors across four different types. On the other hand, Tesla could spread across the country tomorrow if they were reliable enough. I would think solving autonomous driving would imply you could go nation wide with your product

Tesla literally has a guy sitting in there.

Right, nobody has solved it. If either company had solved self driving, it would be in basically every US city. While it is my opinion that Waymo is further ahead, no company has solved the problem yet and because of that it's still not clear what the best solution will be.