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What happened to the founder of Telegram should be enough to discourage any of them to travel in France.

Especially since I guess they do not have the same kind of money and influence to fight it back.



A European Arrest Warrant would make the entire EU off limits. Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting, as many on this thread suspect.

If the GrapheneOS maintainers were being advised by a lawyer, they'd surely know that if French Authorities wanted them arrested and they were standing on a street corner in Stockholm, they could just as easily be picked up by police as if they were in a café in Paris. Making the whole France travel ban just a load of theatrics.


> Which makes me think they haven't thought this through and are just overreacting.

You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough but in that case they aren't overreacting, they're under-reacting. They need to transfer development out of the EU, not just out of France. That's one unexpected benefit of Brexit, btw.


Sadly UK have been passing similar laws as the EU when it comes to encryption, so they aren't any better.


My point is that they clearly haven't sat down with a lawyer, so don't know what the appropriate response is.

I suspect they'd get told to calm down while the lawyer sends a letter to the authorities explaining what they're currently attempting to articulate via social media.

The lead developer seems to have a history of this style of communication in response to any minor critique of himself or GrapheneOS.


> You're contradicting yourself. If "they haven't thought this through" they clearly haven't been paranoid enough

There is no contradiction between "being paranoid" and "not being rational".

Oh my mistake, you intentionally put "benefit" and "Brexit" in the same sentence; yes, there's absolutely a contradiction there, well done lad.


> you intentionally put "benefit" and "Brexit" in the same sentence

My comment wasn't an endorsement of Brexit, UK or EU. I was only thinking that if a quick change to a nearby jurisdiction was needed, the UK would be a place to consider, at least in the short term.


The UK position is that Europe were allowing encryption and stopping the UK from banning it.

The UK doesn't even pretend the laws are for "child safety" they call it what it is - "snoopers charter".




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