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USA believes it's better than everyone else, it's very inward-looking. It's been quite striking.


American exceptionalism is odd, in that sometimes it is "we are better than everyone else", but sometimes it is "we can't have the nice things that all other rich countries have, because [nonsense reason]".

A popular one is 'density', and, okay, maybe this is somewhat true if you're talking about, say, Wyoming (though I think not as true as people often think), but California, for instance, has an only slightly lower population density than _France_, and at that point "we can't have proper transport/telecoms/whatever because density" is just an excuse, and not a convincing one.


The reason we can't have whatever nice things you want is because California doesn't want to spend the money on that nice thing, and it has to maintain a budget, unlike nations. Including a $40 Billion project on a budget makes many, many other things go away. Even if it's just temporarily to help pay for the construction of the service, the point stands.

So imagine if France couldn't go into debt - only the EU can. France wants a giga-train suddenly, so they ask for it. The current leader of the EU isn't a fan of more trains, so he turns it down. France goes back to its people and says "we can build the giga-train if we do XYZ", and people vote based on whether or not they want XYZ or the giga-train more.

I think it's possible you just might want things different from what others want. That study a while back which showed most Americans want cheap public transit so that everyone else gets off the road and gives them more space lives rent free in my head. Nobody wants these stupid trains.


I mean, yeah, the US having systemic problems which make capital investment difficult, or at least extremely slow, is _part_ of it, but there's also just a tendency to a complacent "we have these problems because we are _special_ and they can't be fixed" attitude amongst many Americans (I say this as an outside observer).


There are vast parts of California that are pretty much empty. However, the lack of competition in broadband at the consumer level does suck.


I mean, same goes for France, tho.


What goes for France?

I have a 5gbit down, 900mbit up connection with 200 tv channels a d a landline for 30€ over fiber. And I'm not even in a big city

In the US I had spectrum at 80$ a month for just internet at like 20mbit down or something...


california is ~160,000mi^2 and france is ~244,000mi^2 (423 megameters squared, 632 megameters squared, metric), the population density, respectively, is 251/mi^2 and 281/mi^2. You're comparing an entire country to a single state (2% of the US states, in fact.)

I like to point stuff like this out whenever someone compares an entire EU country to some US state.

note: i edited the france density, as i did accidentally transcribe the wrong value. France is slightly denser per sqkm.


That particular US state has a GDP larger than that entire EU country.


well, 400 billion less (USD, i think), but like 2/3rds the population. California $4.1trillion 39mm pop; france $4.5trillion 66mm/68mm pop.


Are you sure about your numbers?

It seems like you're mixing density units.

France has 66M people for 547k km^2, which is 122/km^2 , California has 39M for 403k km^2, which is 97/km^2.


Yep. As an american I keep giving WTFs every time media discuss potential solutions to problems without even considering how other places solved them. It's like other countries don't exist, or hide their secrets.

Not just broadband, but same with healthcare, homelessness, gerrymandering etc. Just copy-paste little by little.


As an HN viewer I keep giving WTFs every time HNers discuss potential solutions to problems without even considering how other places solved them.

It's not just an american media problem. Plenty of people here calling for municipal broadband ignoring what worked in other countries.


I was thinking the same thing until I learned about the high speed train plans California had (and still have?) and just how much of a disaster it is. It’s a red tape issue and nobody at the policy level seems to care to fix it.


It really is. I keep wondering when some tiny bit of humility will show up, but it is increasingly like asking Russians to have some humility. Not likely, and sometimes, not possible.


There is too much religion in the states for the people to be humble.


Sorry can't hear you over my air conditioner.




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