Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin
Why Do Students Remember Everything on Television and Forget Everything I Say? (aft.org)
15 points by rzk on Sept 12, 2024 | hide | past | favorite | 8 comments


This seems like a rather poor theory for improving memory retention.

The brain indeed can not store everything, but it does not naively pick the most important things to remember and discards the rest. Your brain has evolved various compression heuristics for different types of information that are exceptionally efficient. Good learning takes advantage of these heuristics.

The narrative structure of stories is very much in line with how the brain optimally stores information (which is why we tell stories in the first place), so it is very easy to remember the gist of stories. Even if you forget specific details, you can likely recover them by recalling other elements of the story, like B had to happen before C because it wouldn't make sense the other way around. If you are watching television, you are almost certainly watching something with such a narrative structure, and you enjoy it because it is congruent with your thought processing.

Conversely, so much of schooling focuses on remembering distinct facts - when did this battle occur, what was the name of the protagonist's brother, what is the molar mass of oxygen, what is the integral of dx/x, etc. The brain is not well suited to learning such isolated facts, but it's rare that they are presented in a way that is more easily stored.

There are some cases, especially at younger ages, where it's standard to teach certain things in a more compressible way. We learn mnemonic devices like Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally or Roy G Biv. Perhaps the best example is putting the alphabet to music, using our brain's exceptional music compression heuristic to memorize a 26 character string. As we get older and we approach more advanced topics these methods tend to fall by the wayside despite the fact that they are just as effective on adults - a catchy jingle in advertising uses exactly the same mechanism.

I think a restructuring of education to focus on a holistic learning process where information is presented in a wider, narrative context, with less of a focus on discrete facts than larger patterns, and carefully constructed mnemonic tools for specific data that is need to know would be the best approach.


compare WWII instruction manuals for tank crews, which took a multimodal approach: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40767364


> ...the material I want students to learn is actually the answer to a question. On its own, the answer is almost never interesting. But if you know the question, the answer may be quite interesting.


Because the tv is entertaining and "you" are not (haven't read the article).

This is rampant in early grades where children are still allowed to play, so they absorb everything.

Watching my kids, I started to question if we got school extremely wrong. After all, play seems to be the way we learn in early childhood?


I concur that we got school wrong by creating an environment where play, creativity, and any natural interest in learning are forcefully shut down. I recently read an HN post about how kindergarten recess had been canceled in deference to directed instruction. Instead of making kindergarten more "serious" like upper grades we should probably be doing the reverse and making upper grades more fun and creative, with active breaks during the day.

Nonetheless, many skills - from playing piano to solving math problems - seem to be learned through focused practice.

Students who feel railroaded by lock-step learning should take heart (to some extent) knowing that it eventually gets much better, since creativity and self-direction are extremely valuable in higher education and in the "real" world. But it is a shame that it takes so long to get to that point of freedom.


I agree, I don't have a solution for that, I wish I did.

I know when somebody is passionate, they will get focused practice "naturally", but that doesn't really solve it.


Willingness to absorb information seems huge. I’ll remember crazy history from YouTube educators now that I’m an adult but hated history in school and couldn’t remember a thing. Making teachers be baby sitters, guardians, entertainers, and of course teach is a lot to ask.


Makes sense! I did the same with programming languages, even though I was in high school and there was no way for me to remember the stuff from school, lol




Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: