For e.g NOx with a high half-life, you are probably right that we are still increasing pollution. For short half-life pollutants like SO2 and CO, I would expect this means the actual atmospheric levels are decreasing.
Yes, we should change the units to have a more rational approach, that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf.
So, if you want to care about the environment, and the state of the developed world, you're going to need to allow for compromise to exist. If you refuse this compromise, yes, you are incidentally approaching the same outcome the eugenicists want.
> that doesn't boil down to a new version of first world colonialism that tells the undeveloped world they missed the boat and now can't catch up because we've already wrecked the environment on their behalf.
When the first world started burning oil and coal, solar panels and nuclear reactors didn't exist. Now they do, and undeveloped countries don't have to invent them again in order to use them. This is cheaper than what first world countries have to do because they don't have to pay to build a coal-fired power plant only to shut it down while it's still functional and build a solar farm to replace it. They can just start with the solar farm.
There is 1 single earth, its not getting bigger nor smaller. Dont know about you but I couldnt care less about some pollution per capita or similar. What about pollution per km2, or m3 of water? Nobody is stating goal is 0 or we failed.
Not sure why you try to divert discussion that way, its too obvious and not working.
We have on a small scale. Methane is escaping as the permafrost thaws. Boreal forests are also burning down as their climate warms. Reduction in polar ice changes the albedo of the earth to reflect less heat.
At a certain point sufficient warming could trigger a cascade. So far we haven't done that, but it's incorrect to say there's been no release of stored CO2.
Agree, but it’s like hurling toward a brick wall at 100mph instead of previously 110mph and saying “we’ve reached peak risk”. Sounds a lot better than “we’re braking but currently we are still going to hit the wall and life expectancy of passengers still currently is measured in second”, but what we need is to push people to brake more, not sugar coat the situation.
Doesn’t really matter here, I’m talking about the pollution the article is referring to. I am simply discussing the concept of reaching a peak in pollution vs. a peak in emission of the same pollutants.
Putting the above aside though, I would disagree. Everything is subjective except math (and even there, I think there’s a debate), but I would definitely not classify pollution as _highly_ subjective, that makes it sound it belongs to the category of things that particularly lack consensus, which is definitely not the case amongst the scientific community. Not to say there’s 100% agreement on all things, but I think there’s a broad consensus.
I’m no climate scientist but I would think it’s similar to toxicity/poisoning. You can die from water intoxication but certainly you need it to live as well. So no, I don’t think it’s subjective. It seems to me that if something is capable of causing harm in a certain amount, it’s poisonous/pollution/toxic.
“Peak pollution” sounds like the amount of pollution in the environment will actually _decrease_ going forward.
That is simply not true, it will continue to increase, just slightly less fast.
Sorry if I don’t feel euphoric right now.