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There is a company[0] here in rural Virginia buying up huge swaths of land (100-500+ acres) and filling them up with solar panels. From an energy perspective, it's wonderful. On the other hand, it is quite literally changing the views of our precious Blue Ridge Mountains from hills and mountains with seas of green pasture to rows of solar panels as far as the eye can see.

0. https://energix-group.com/



I had a friend who actually moved when a 100+ acre solar farm was built just upstream, and maintained by heavy regular spraying of herbicides.

Solar is great, but IMO we should be somehow encouraging rooftop solar (which, yes, is more expensive!) in order to reduce pressure on wilderness and agriculture.

Before someone jumps in with the efficient market hypothesis, fundamentally the problem is that wilderness services aren't easily priced correctly, but solar has suddenly made chopping down wilderness (more) easily monetizable.


I think parking lots are the ideal place for large scale solar. They have already destroyed the local environment, and anything shading black asphalt will be an improvement for local temperature.

Other plusses are that they are close to electric demand (business, homes, and EVs), and people prefer to park in shade.

The downside is there's no existing structure to install the panels, so that's more steel used to mount the panels.


> I think parking lots are the ideal place for large scale solar.

There are numerous examples of that around where we live, in the foothills of the mountains north of Phoenix, where there are also lots of recent modern construction projects. One nice installation at a school a few minutes away has the panels on structures providing shade, all over blacktop, as you thought of.


Not to mention the good effects from shading the cars parking there so they're not so hot when you get into them in the summer.


This is quite upsetting, and yet not at all a surprise. We're taking the same damaging approach to power that we always have, but now with solar.

In addition to the sibling comments, another better approach is to blend solar with farming, to grow shade-loving crops and reduce evaporation. They'll still use pesticides, no doubt, but not more than ordinary farming.

https://theconversation.com/how-shading-crops-with-solar-pan...


I have seen in many places they use sheep to cut the grass and herbs so no need for herbicides.


Yes, this should definitely be the standard.


Agriculture and, more importantly, grazing land can be frequently integrated with solar and wind.

That wilderness isn’t going to be there anyway if we don’t address climate change as fast as we can.


The problem is that agriculture is limited in hilly uplands (which are ecologically the most important places to avoid deforesting) because you don't want a tractor to tip over. However those places can now be cleared for solar.

>That wilderness isn’t going to be there anyway if we don’t address climate change as fast as we can.

By the same token, fixing climate change won't matter if we don't have any wilderness services left.

Either crisis will be catastrophic, and we need to fix both. I sometimes worry that we focus too much on just GHG climate change, to the exclusion of other issues like biodiversity, water, soil, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVFSJINGueM&t=892


We have the same discussion here where I live with wind turbines, but if that's what it takes to bridge the gap to fusion, I think we can live with it for a generation.


Wind Turbines on mountaintops are awesome, beautiful, and a herald of a good future. I don't understand how anyone can be against them.

Unless you have some weird quirk where you think it's impossible for manmade objects to be beautiful


Migratory birds might disagree. I'm strongly against industrialisation of wild landscapes - every wind turbine requires ground infrastructure and service roads, I'm surprised that some people are okay with that but strongly oppose nuclear with it's ridiculously small environmental footprint.


> Wind Turbines on mountaintops are awesome, beautiful, and a herald of a good future.

I agree :)


This seems like a perfectly valid tradeoff if it leads to the end of mines, oil rigs and fracking.


In exchange for medium to long term poverty in fossil fuel dependent regions. Good for those that want to buy up cheap land and property, not so good for the people in those regions.


Fossil fuel industry is 100% guaranteed to be doomed. Coal towns were already killed by fracking before renewables got off the ground.


At some level people are just going to have to accept negative changes in order to move away from carbon.

We have the same issue around me with people chaining themselves to bulldozers and pushing for animal sanctuary designations just so they can avoid having to see windmills on the horizon.


I won't believe this is a problem at all until seeing actual photos. I've seen people on here complaining how light pollution is 'ruining our beautiful skies' because stars aren't as clear inside a massive city.




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