> And the cameras just happened to be out of order when he chose to kill himself of course.
I know you think this is really brilliant invective, but it just reveals that you don't know what you're talking about.
Epstein was being monitored by guards and cameras in part because he had already tried to kill himself once. (I suppose you don't dispute that?)
The cameras you're referring to are the specific cameras with his cell door in their FOV. MCC New York had a history of such lapses, and the cameras were seized and analysed by the FBI. No evidence was found of anything other than the US prison system being shitty.
But more importantly there were functioning cameras showing the entrance to Epstein's block from the accessible communal area an assassin would have used for entrance/egress. From the DOJ report:
> Thus, anyone entering or attempting to enter Epstein’s SHU tier from the SHU common area would have been picked up by that video camera.
And would make the two guards who admitted falsifying reports… the worst patsies in history? And presumably the FBI and DOJ are in on it too? And the camera footage showing nobody entered his block is fake too?
It's so achingly dumb. HN has a really awful conspiratorial leaning these days, it's completely baffling to me.
> And would make the two guards who admitted falsifying reports… the worst patsies in history?
Maybe in 5 or 10 years, they get paid off. History teaches that truth isn't available immediately or at the time. The world is a rough place and I can wait to be convinced. As patsies, they are possibly the best, given the outcome today.
> And presumably the FBI and DOJ are in on it too?
Now you're just reaching.
> It's so achingly dumb.
Ah, the sideways name calling. Good luck with that.
I will be explicit: if, after reading the DOJ report and reviewing the facts of the case, you believe that Epstein was murdered, then your critical thinking is sub-normal. An average police officer would grok this.
If a powerful individual had:
1. Much to lose in the event of Epstein cooperating (he wasn't), and,
2. The means to arrange a complex assassination (in a prison, in solitary confinement, and -- I repeat that this is a matter of fact for which you have zero repudiation -- without being seen by the security cameras which were active and monitoring the entrance to Epstein's block from the communal entrance), and,
3. The public knowledge that Epstein had weeks earlier attempted to commit suicide (I literally cannot believe I'm having to enumerate this)…
… why wouldn't you simply pressure Epstein to commit suicide and obviate the insane risk of detection or mishap in a scheme to murder him that would, at a minimum, require either the cooperation of multiple heretofore uncontrolled/unknown operatives within the prison, in addition to the brokering and lifting being done by a proxy (i.e.: at least 3 people, probably closer to 5-10, all of whom would be highly brittle points of failure both during and after the operation)?
Or find a way to provide him with the mysterious extra bed sheets[^1] if he were intending on doing it anyway? You know, perhaps on an unmonitored telephone call[^2] made to his "mother" (dead for years) immediately prior to the suicide?
Sorry, but yes you are dumb if you think Epstein was murdered in prison. You are knowingly taking a position unsupported by fact, considered and rejected by thousands of more qualified investigators from across the judiciary, and the best you can appear to do is accuse me of not being gentle in my treatment of your utterly inane conjecture.
You are leaping to the most exciting conclusion and rejecting the myriad simpler ones supported by the overwhelming evidence. Each of the following is inescapably a simpler and more likely explanation for his death than him being murdered:
1) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to deteriorated mental health,
2) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to his fear of being mistreated or murdered by an inmate (he's a pedophile in prison etc.),
3) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to his fear of being murdered by a guard in the employ of people he might betray,
4) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to his fear of loved ones being murdered at the behest of people he might betray,
5) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to being provided the means by guards operating at the behest of people he might betray,
6) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide due to befriending a guard who took pity on him or to whom he promised or arranged financial reward himself (yes, it's more likely Epstein was motivated to essentially pay for his own suicide than someone murdered him in his prison cell, sigh),
7) He succeeded in his second attempt at suicide because he was pressured by external forces capable of harming those he loved.
It's just staggering that you cannot evaluate this properly. I don't want to be unkind, I'm sure you're very smart and a lovely person, but I would encourage you to discuss this with any lawyer, prosecutor, or investigator you might have access to and go through the facts line by line. You should absolutely be alarmed that you are out of step with so many informed individuals on this, even before considering people like me who are simply 50th percentile with logic.
> It's easy when your world view hinges on the fact that responsible adults are running the world.
Or when you look at the reams of evidence supporting a verdict of suicide and the other side has conspiratorial non-arguments like this.
If any of you get selected for jury duty I would encourage you to please show an adult this thread so you can be recused on grounds of mental incapacity.
