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This seems like the classic boom/bust cycle of capitalism and government. One upon a time, CA had things like free education through the UC and CSU system, and a tax rate that seemed similar to other states.

With the adoption of Prop 13 they eliminated much of the property tax revenue, and then ratcheted up the income and sales tax to pretty much max amounts while only collecting property tax from new(ish) home buyers. The Trump tax cuts then penalized upper-middle-class tech workers, all while continuing to reduce benefits. Utility deregulation has led to rolling blackouts during potential windstorms, and poor forest management has brought about some big fires.

Other states are also in on the zero-sum game that is bidding tax breaks to get companies to relocate.

This seems like a normal cycle of capitalism. If CA wants to change the game, they could consider options like the return of low-cost (free) schooling for CA residents, normalizing their property tax structures, or opening a single-payer healthcare system to CA residents.



Prop 13 is indeed the root of many issues here. The problem is that there's no way it'll be voted away, no matter how bad it gets.


Is there wide agreement it is misbehaving and ought to be changed “somehow”? Perhaps it could be modified.

There are other ways to achieve the basic objective without creating the same side effects. For example, Colorado’s TABOR has a very similar objective with a very different mechanism that slows property tax growth but does not pressure people to stay put in their current home.


> Is there wide agreement it is misbehaving and ought to be changed “somehow”?

No, voters overwhelmingly support Prop 13 in general, and feel that property taxes (which in fact are extremely low by national standards due to the Prop 13 nominal rate limit even before considering the Prop 13 assessment increase limit) are high in California. (What's actually high is property values, as a result of both Prop 13 and development policy -- and the development policy is itself, in part, due to incentives created by Prop 13 which align with those created by homeowner NIMBYism.)

It has been tweaked before, and you could maybe pass tweaks again that would enhance revenue in general, but by and large the basic structure is going to be very hard to change.


Prop 13 has been modified several times since being passed; its not impossible that it would be modified in a way which would increase overall property tax revenue, but procedurally its basically impossible for that to be relevant to the short-term funding shortfall.


I think a modification that separately tracked the prop 13 basis and a current price and charged taxes on the current price for anything that isn’t the owner’s primary residence could plausibly tax — after all, no one would get priced out of their own home as a result.




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