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I was in mainland China a week ago and rode in a few different domestic electric cars when taking DiDi (Uber), from BYD and others. All pretty great experiences, good build quality. A surprising percent of the cars on the street in Kunming were electric - maybe 25%. The other cards make me expect good things from the Xiaomi.


My problem with Xiaomi is the absolutely crazy data gathering.

I visited one of their mall stores of theirs and literally the only product (out of many) not requiring an app was some sort of shaving machine. A goddamn pole fan requiring an app!

On the other hand, all modern cars seem to be pretty bad at this. Tesla cars appear to be a privacy nightmare.


You're not kidding about modern cars being a privacy nightmare: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/article...

Some notable takeaways:

- The car companies claim not only the owners' data, but the data of _any passengers_. I don't think people reasonably expect that sitting in a friend's car grants consent to collect data on them.

- Almost no brands allow people to request their data be deleted.

- Nissan claims the right to know their owner's sexual activity. Kia claims the right to know their owner's sex lives.


> Nissan claims the right to know their owner's sexual activity. Kia claims the right to know their owner's sex lives.

I'd be interested in reading more about this if you have a source?



Probably only to prevent those activities during driving. I doubt they have any other interest.


maybe advertising a bigger car for an anticipated baby?


And selling data on people engaging in actions likely to cause a baby to people who sell baby stuff.


Scary to think about but most likely already happening through other sensors


> - Almost no brands allow people to request their data be deleted.

I assume this has an implicit "in the USA"? Trying this in Europe would be an awfully bad idea -- GDPR has teeth, unlike most American consumer protection regulations.


This is the behavior of pretty much all chinese tech with internet connected software / hardware. They are next level bad in general.


They're skating where the puck is.

Realistically, even iot wall sockets and switch controllers are now a well served market. Is there any electrical appliance that has no merit being externally controllable, and thus a potential data source?

We'd need Synology to gain way more market power than Apple and Google (and Xiaomi and every other global makers) to get a full user managed hub instead of the cloud first approach we have now.


> My problem with Xiaomi is the absolutely crazy data gathering. [...] On the other hand, all modern cars seem to be pretty bad at this.

Exactly. We'll hardly find one car, or for that matter any object with enough electronics on board which is both closed and connected, that doesn't use the technology to gather data on the user. Spying is a profitable business nobody in the industry can resist to.


They are a global brand now. If you use their apps in Europe you are presented with the choice of cloud locations (Germany) and they do comply with the GDPR. There are far worse actors out there then Xiaomi.


Unfortunately, I don't expect to ever again be able to buy a car I don't have to cut the antenna from.


I'd expect "cutting the antenna" to come with severe insurance penalties at some point.

PS: Or the vehicle goes into emergency mode and you can still drive but only with hazard lights on.


Why would there be insurance penalties if my car can't talk to its servers? Or why would a car go into emergency mode every time I took a holiday up in the mountains?


Why not? It's not like the end user will have a choice. The manufacturer will take whatever action it likes.


> Why would there be insurance penalties if my car can't talk to its servers?

Driving patterns indicate risk profile.


Off topic: was Kunming's slogan still "civilized Kunming"? I found it pretty funny when I was there some years ago.


文明昆明 (wenming Kunming) is such an amazing rhyming couplet


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I'm pretty sure if you asked the average person, especially in the US, which EVs burst into flames, it'll be a US brand that they'll name.


If you asked the average person to name an EV brand I’ll bet you 99/100 will say the same name too.


That’s a pretty dramatic claim - do you have any citations from major/reputable news outlets or the like to back it up?


Just Google it. There are tons of results.

https://www.wapcar.my/news/in-china-640-evs-caught-fire-in-t...

With the degree of censorship they have, I wouldn’t be surprised if more were covered up.


Wapcar.my doesn’t seem very authoritative, and either way 640 cars doesn’t seem like many in a country the size of China.

I asked because I did Google it, and all the top results were either unrelated, or from sites I’ve never heard of before.


dont buy them from alibaba then?




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