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Joe is gaffe prone, and from the article that I linked to he apparently said the words but misspoke.

I voted for Joe and I like the guy but I've definitely got issues with him. He certainly wasn't my first choice.

But you appear to be a True Believer and there's no point in furthering this discussion because you mind is made up and that's that.


no, I also believe he misspoke, but the point was, "we" take trumps jokes at total face value, as to actually believe he asked the russians, where if you watch the video, and know anything about how trump talks, you know he was not really asking them to do that, but making a joke. Something he often does. It may have been a stupid joke to make, all things considered, but it was one nonetheless.

If you can suspend blind faith in the media narrative and out-of-context clips, and smear campaigns, and see what the man said, you'd see that too.

Trump is a moron for many many reasons, but not what they accuse him of


That's an interesting pivot. You brought it up in the context of it being a confession but now it's not?

His ask was actually delivered on shortly after: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-asked-russia-to-...

Trump had plans to build in Moscow, held unprecedented unsupervised conversations with Putin, etc.

I could go on and on, but would you listen or care? Anyway, we're effectively sullying the salient value of the OP.


i brought it up as such to hopefully be able to spark the idea that saying words does not mean that the words without any context means exactly what they are at face value.

Whether it was delivered on, is irellevant, if I made a joke asking putin to hack into a US aircraft carrier to find surveillance of their toilet facilities, and it happened, would it logically follow that they did it because I said so?

also, facts are facts, let Hillarys emails speak for themselves.

we had to hear nearly every single day from the talking heads and top democrats how they had seen mountains of evidence of direct collusion, and yet it was not presented. Did you read the müller report? I did.

edit: and isnt it also entirely possible that if russia did "respond" to trumps "ask", they did it to make "you" believe he colludes with them, to hurt him?




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