You’ve fallen into the same trap as many others by refuting the easy claim that bad things should change yet don’t address the real question of why you feel entitled to this change.

You call it “idiocy” yet literally nobody has been able to put into words why it is so.

The real idiocy here is how one sided the discussion has been. The supporters, like yourself, simply say “it should be like this because I say so”. Whereas the opposition, such as myself, have detailed a number of reasons why, such as cheaper housing vs regional wages.

If it were really as clear cut as you claim, I wouldn’t be reading through a page of meaningless straw man arguments like I am right now.

The upsides to WFH seem pretty clear to me

- No commute saves workers you an hour or two every day and benefits the company by loosening traffic for those that do WFO

- Hours saved by not having to prep in the morning/commute benefits the company by making workers more well rested, late less often

- If you have kids you no longer need to hire someone to watch them and can spend a bit more time with them

- Don't have to interface with people that can give you diseases, benefiting both your health and your company by keeping you from taking sick leave

Some of these are so obvious that they feel self evident which is why I think people are not mentioning them outright (it would be redundant)

We aren’t talking about WFH vs working in the office. We are talking about the argument made that companies should reimburse employees for any time spent commuting.

It is idiocy in my opinion and I am acting accordingly. I don’t need to prove it to you or anyone. I don’t consider employment offers that don’t align with me along this axis. I have plenty of options that do.

> It is idiocy in my opinion and I am acting accordingly

You’re acting like an idiot?!

> I don’t need to prove it to you or anyone.

You’re the one engaging in the conversation. If you don’t want to explain your point of view then why bother posting in the first place?

> I don’t consider employment offers that don’t align with me along this axis. I have plenty of options that do.

You have plenty of job offers where your employer pays for your commute?

I’ve been in the industry for several decades and the only time I’ve ever known this happen is when someone has site visits, which isn’t the scope of our conversation here. So I think you’re either misunderstanding the conversation here or just posting BS.

There's a lot of evidence of internalized capitalism on this site, but I'm happy to see a variety of opinions for and against remote coming out in the comments

I’m definitely one of the bigger socialises on here (probably because I’m European). I just don’t believe that a company owes you for your commute time. I feel that it pushing entitlement a little too far.

Given the shitty wages most people are on, how some people walk for 2 hours a day, every day, to get to and from work because they can’t afford a car…and then we have this thread. It just feels like there’s a real disconnect from reality going on right now.

> I’m definitely one of the bigger socialises on here (probably because I’m European). I just don’t believe that a company owes you for your commute time. I feel that it pushing entitlement a little too far.

Incorrect, it is a reasonable and deserved level of entitlement. When you spend hours of your life for someone else's benefit you are morally entitled to be compensated it.

> Given the shitty wages most people are on, how some people walk for 2 hours a day, every day, to get to and from work because they can’t afford a car…and then we have this thread. It just feels like there’s a real disconnect from reality going on right now.

Crab mentality. Multiple shitty things exist of different scales and all of them should be fixed. Everyone should be paid for commute time AND no one should have to walk two hours or have a low wage job. Calling out the wrongness of the former does not mean we are okay with the latter. The subject matter of thread happened to be about the former.

I think you’re distilling things down far to simplicity but we might just have to agree to disagree on this topic.