You’re correct that conservatism seeks to preserve natural hierarchies. It arises from a worldview that says that things are the way they are for reasons, and that efforts to reshape the world according to human machinations are susceptible to failure. “Keeping people at the bottom” is often a side-effect of that worldview, insofar as conservatives are naturally distrustful of large scale efforts at social change.
> 1. Social conservatives - anyone who isn't white, heterosexual, Christian
Social conservatism is where “black and brown people” have the most in common with white republicans: https://news.gallup.com/poll/112807/blacks-conservative-repu.... By contrast, social liberalism was invented by white people. It arises out of the intense individualism that’s unique to white European societies.
That’s why the GOP had its best performance in decades among minorities in 2022, despite underperforming expectations among white people. Social liberalism—specifically abortion—didn’t motivate minority voters in the same way as it did white voters. That’s why DeSantis and Youngkin straight up won Hispanics in states Obama won twice, by focusing on cultural issues. That’s why, back in 2000, Muslims got George W. Bush elected: https://www.cair.com/cair_in_the_news/survey-shows-bush-supp... (“In key states like Florida, where Mr. Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore by just 537 votes, CAIR says Muslims in that state preferred the president over his opponent by 64-thousand votes.”). Luckily for liberals, it’s very difficult to get different groups of conservatives to trust each other.
I’m frankly offended at the insinuation that I’m a libertarian! I’m a typical “brown” American—I voted for Biden but tell my kids they can’t have tattoos like the white people.
> Social conservatism is where “black and brown people” have the most in common with white republicans:
Sure conservative blacks and browns, just like the whites can be compelled to vote against their own interests by group 2 and group 3.
> in 2000, Muslims got George W. Bush elected
Your ability to fish for random bits of data to reinforce whatever point you are making is exceptional.
> I’m frankly offended at the insinuation that I’m a libertarian!
I honestly don't care about getting your political category right, but now that I recall - you are a social conservative of the Clayton Bigsby variety.
Anyway, thanks for acknowledging that conservatism is inherently anti democratic.
> As to your point about self interest: I came to Reagan’s america—a country where poor kids “who look like me” have almost three times the economic mobility of poor white kids. “People who look like me” live longer than white people, are less likely to get shot or incarcerated than white people, etc.
Could you share the data showing this, or at least the point in time did the data reflect this? I'm not sure if you're referring to currently, or to Reagans times. I'd love to check it out for myself, as most of the data I've seen seems to point to the other direction. Always happy to learn more!
Regarding income mobility, see Figure III of this study by Chetty: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353. Figure III shows child income on the Y axis versus parent income in the X axis. Compare the green line (Asians) to the blue line (whites).
Although most Asians came here in the 20th century, this pattern holds historically: https://www.nber.org/papers/w22748 (“Asians achieved extraordinary upward mobility relative to blacks and whites for every cohort born in California since 1920. This mobility stemmed primarily from gains in earnings conditional on education, rather than unusual educational mobility.”). This paper shows that the upward mobility was shown “conditional on education”—I.e. even when comparing similarly educated people.
On the other statistics. Incarceration: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/ji19.pdf (Table 2). In local jails, Asians are incarcerated at a rate of 25 per 100,000 versus 184 per 100,000 for whites.
Asian Americans have an average life expectancy of 86.3, versus 78.5 for whites: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4567918. The Asian-white gap is double the white-black gap. This is true even though Asians are slightly more likely to be uninsured than white Americans. The life expectancy for Asian Americans is 2 years longer than Japan, and a year and a half longer than Singapore.
There is no “bamboo ceiling.” Asians hold 4.6% of Fortune 500 board seats: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/us/Documents/.... That’s probably overrepresentation if you consider that Asians skew almost 8 years younger than whites and older Asians often aren’t English fluent/lack prestigious American degrees/etc.
In my opinion, the progressive Asian trend of jumping on the racial liberalism train is a profoundly bad idea. It’s not in our self interest for white people to start becoming race conscious.
Nobody cares about or loved drag shows. They care about the first amendment. Don't flip right wing drag-show-hatred to liberal love of drag shows. You are lying and you know it.
> pathologically individualistic
The ones who refuse vaccinations in the middle of the deadliest pandemic in a 100 years, NOT!
>> you are a social conservative of the Clayton Bigsby variety.
> I’m a social conservative of the “typical Bangladeshi” variety
Of course black/brown conservatives are not all the same.
> 1. Social conservatives - anyone who isn't white, heterosexual, Christian
Social conservatism is where “black and brown people” have the most in common with white republicans: https://news.gallup.com/poll/112807/blacks-conservative-repu.... By contrast, social liberalism was invented by white people. It arises out of the intense individualism that’s unique to white European societies.
That’s why the GOP had its best performance in decades among minorities in 2022, despite underperforming expectations among white people. Social liberalism—specifically abortion—didn’t motivate minority voters in the same way as it did white voters. That’s why DeSantis and Youngkin straight up won Hispanics in states Obama won twice, by focusing on cultural issues. That’s why, back in 2000, Muslims got George W. Bush elected: https://www.cair.com/cair_in_the_news/survey-shows-bush-supp... (“In key states like Florida, where Mr. Bush defeated Democrat Al Gore by just 537 votes, CAIR says Muslims in that state preferred the president over his opponent by 64-thousand votes.”). Luckily for liberals, it’s very difficult to get different groups of conservatives to trust each other.
I’m frankly offended at the insinuation that I’m a libertarian! I’m a typical “brown” American—I voted for Biden but tell my kids they can’t have tattoos like the white people.