“More than a week after the crash, CNN discovered that some East Palestine residents had served as extras in the recent Netflix film adaptation of Don DeLillo’s White Noise—specifically while filming the novel’s “Airborne Toxic Event” sequence, in which an errant rail car spills chemicals that produce a noxious black cloud over a midwestern town.”
Hadn’t heard this tidbit about the crash before, what a truly insane coincidence. The airborne toxic event in the novel/movie causes deja vu, too.
>> And precisely because they were nuclear accidents, Three Mile Island and Chernobyl left their surroundings contaminated for years, even decades.
Perhaps a small point, but the incident at Three Mile Island did not lead contaminate surroundings for years. Or at least, the extent is somewhat disputed.
From wiki:
According to the American Nuclear Society, using the official radioactivity emission figures, "The average radiation dose to people living within 10 miles of the plant was eight millirem (0.08 mSv), and no more than 100 millirem (1 mSv) to any single individual. Eight millirem is about equal to a chest X-ray, and 100 millirem is about a third of the average background level of radiation received by US residents in a year."
Although some epidemiological studies cast some doubt on that:
A peer-reviewed research article by Dr. Steven Wing found a significant increase in cancers between 1979 and 1985 among people who lived within ten miles of TMI.[113] In 2009 Dr. Wing stated that radiation releases during the accident were probably "thousands of times greater" than the NRC's estimates. A retrospective study of Pennsylvania Cancer Registry found an increased incidence of thyroid cancer in some counties south of TMI (although, notably, not in Dauphin County itself) and in high-risk age groups but did not draw a causal link between these incidences and the accident.[13][14] The Talbott lab at the University of Pittsburgh reported finding a few, small increased cancer risks within the TMI population.[15] A more recent study reached "findings consistent with observations from other radiation-exposed populations," raising "the possibility that radiation released from [Three Mile Island] may have altered the molecular profile of [thyroid cancer] in the population surrounding TMI", establishing a potential causal mechanism, although not definitively proving causation.[114]
Impressionistic review of the repeated industrial accidents in Ohio, written by someone who originated from the area, in the light of the wearied, sleepwalking response to the latest one in East Palestine, Ohio.
The residents can simply stop doing business with that particular freight company. Now that they know they operate unsafely from suffering permanent damage from chemical poisoning, they can make an informed decision on the free market.
Right. After the fact and poisoning the swathes of land and tons of water nobody will clean up. And cost of the lost health of people being offloaded onto taxpayers.
The company or its shareholders is not bearing the cost of wrongdoing.
As such, the market is incentivized to do more of this garbage.
Environmental pollution is a classic example of a market failure. Market failures are the rule not some exception - they're a way to maximize profit. Efficient markets have zero profit.
Not that this brightens your day, but it's not just the evil and/or short-sighted capitalists:
"Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks."
Fauci's argument was that pandemics happen naturally, so it would be better to get ahead of them in the lab. Was he wrong? Maybe. Or maybe Covid was totally natural and we needed GoF research to help with vaccines.
Fauci also acknowledged the validity of concerns, in that same paper.
Is it bad to run a biolab next to a naturally virus -heavy environment? Probably.
Is it bad to trust the Chinese Communiat Party with a biolab,given their decades long record of oppression the Chinese epoeple and suppression of the press? Probably.
Vinyl Chloride gas clouds, by contrast, never appear naturally.
For being a crowd that I imagine would often classify itself as intellectual, HN can be surprisingly intolerant of writing with any degree of flair or (non-technical) complexity.
I’m not intolerant of it, but if a writer chooses a poetic literary style in an essay like this, I think it should enhance the communication of the topic of the essay. I became more focused on how poetic and literary they were trying to make the essay than the topic of essay themselves. It distracted more than enhanced.
It's one thing to fling around some words for fun in a web forum. It's rather another to put up an essay on a serious topic with this kind of ornamentation. It makes it look like the author is selling something.
If I want to read a policy paper on rail safety regulation, I want it dry. Give me events, causes, remedies, suggestions, costs. I don't want to read a stump speech.
And in point of fact there aren't any remedies or reasoned argument here, it's all yelling and finger pointing. How might this have been prevented? Why did it happen in the first place (FWIW: we don't actually know yet, AFAIK). How else might we ship these compounds? Do we need to? What industries are they serving? That's the stuff I want to hear.
Or some TV shows like Seconds from Disaster or that Air crash one.
or listen to industrial engineers when they do their simulations and Fault trees and HAZOP shenanigans
there are a lot of publications and books and even university courses about how to study the functional safety of systems.
However, all of these dry "remedies, suggestions, costs" only make sense when you can have the "stump speech" about what you want. You need to discuss what industries you want, and what risks do you accept. When you study a risk, you can avoid it (no go), transfer it (mostly to insurance companies), mitigate it (with these new practices and technical solutions you called for, to reduce frequency and/or impact) or accept it (all green).
The articles underlines how the current risk of derailment was known and accepted by the Department of Transportation. There was nothing more to do technologically, if the risk was accepted as it was.
If you want a remedy or suggestions, go see the government and the companies to tell them chemicals plumes aren't acceptable when they happen every few years. Technical solutions will come, if they want to continue to operate trains but more safely.
> However, all of these dry "remedies, suggestions, costs" only make sense when you can have the "stump speech" about what you want.
What do you interpret the author wanting, then? It's genuine question. The linked article is a list of grievances, but you can't grieve your way out of modern industry. If you want a world with no dangerous train accidents (which is pretty much all I can gather the author desires) you need to explain how to do that, because we can't reasonably have a world where we don't ship dangerous stuff by train.
I hate the opposition of risk and 'modern industry'. Some companies do it all the time.
Make a lot of money for years doing finance, then having to pay for losses some day ? -> "we're too big to fail, we have to be covered"
Make a lot of money doing illegal stuff ? -> "we're too big to jail, and we need business"
Stop to carry dangerous chemicals on unsafe trains ? -> that's "a cost"
Now, as far as understand from the linked blog, the author is an environmentalist, and want to address three points in regards to the modern industry :
- Risks and externalities need to be actually internalised to companies, so that they could use processes and business plans to avoid or mitigate them.
> “We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open,”
> To “nuke,” metaphorically, is to decide to unleash the full destructive powers placed at our disposal by modern science with less than full heed paid to the ultimate consequences.
- he wants an analysis of risks and impacts of the industry, even in a distant time and out of the plants :
> Quietly, unspectacularly, toxic chemicals [...] have for over a century been leaking steadily out of tankers and pipelines and mines and barrels and factories and into Ohioan soil, water, and bodies.
>This is the consequence of a life lived in the shadow of the infrastructure of the US chemical industry: you could be murdered and not even know it.
>The derailment catastrophe underscores the cruel fate to which the hinterland of an increasingly automated and geographically dispersed chemical industry has been condemned: industrial toxicity without industrial employment.
- And he wants the government to do something about it.
At first, by comparing what is happening with some dystopia.
And then by reminding that a lot of poeple are already concerned with these issues, which has already been documented by authors and some part of the citizens.
> It is not just that we are talking about what’s happening in East Palestine [, Ohio]. It’s that it feels like we have always been talking about it.
> We mean that everyone is talking about it, but in a way that isn’t making a difference.
Sadly, the article doesn't seem to offer a turnkey solution !
it's up to the reader and the society to find it !
In my humble opinion, business can be done responsibly, if regulated, and if accountability actually exists.
Train protection systems have been used in Europe for decades, and it didn't ruin any train company. They would even seem cheap compared to paying decades of hospital costs to poisoned citizens, or to clean the environment, if train and chemicals company had to pay for any of these (and not the victims or the taxpayer)
Other industries in here have been asked not to pollute, and to do some prevention, with the Seveso directive. They have also been asked to avoid some chemicals, with the REACH regulation. (including chrome VI, the one in the famous Brokovitch case)
They are still there and profitable ! So stop to have the vision that opposes environmental protection and the modern economy.
We could do the transition like in cleveland, as mentioned in the article.
The key is capitalism, which always good for short term profit even at the expense of dooming everyone.
Do you think any of the institutional or otherwise detached investors will pay for any of the safeties? Lose money or sleep?
The companies will rather circumvent or ignore the regulations, outsource the toxicity, diffuse it over the entire world. When caught, they're just slapped on the wrist, if at all.
Even in EU, cases like VW systematically breaking ecological regs on cars, undetermined someone killing tons of fish in Oder river... Creative bookkeeping and monitors being underfunded and understaffed is rampant. That where they exist at all.
Nobody wants to seriously touch it or the whole facade falls apart.
The things you mentioned are fig leaves. Minor steps ahead at best.
Someone needs to tell that Erik Baker that using lots of big words doesn't make you sound clever, it just makes you sound like a smartarse 15-year-old trying to impress their English teacher.
> First there was the fire, the smoke billowing infernally into the Appalachian night. It just kept burning. Days of insatiable flame. A black pillar of fumes took up residence above the town like an inert tornado. At its heart, we learned, was the corpse of a train, fifty cars off the rails
To me, even Shakespeare’s Richard III didn’t begin with this level of overly flowery poetic structure.
Dang, can we get the title changed to "It Is Happening Again:
Industrial toxicity without industrial employment". I don't think title offers much info as is.
Notice how your comment os not a reason to get these people help and mine is. Unless you think the US government will deliberately punish White people by not helping them if they call foul, which would only prove my point further.
Hadn’t heard this tidbit about the crash before, what a truly insane coincidence. The airborne toxic event in the novel/movie causes deja vu, too.