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Antivax are people who don't want to take the vaccine. They're not against other people taking vaccines or the development of vaccines. You're likely misinformed.


So you're saying the people who were shouting at people standing in line to get a vaccine against covid (which happened plenty of times in Germany and I'm sure in other places, too) are not antivaxxers?


Antivax isn't a single organized group, so being antivax can manifest in many ways. I know antivaxers who harass people who got vaccinated for Covid and protest.


Tell that to the antivaxers that attack vaccination sites and spread the propaganda.


You say the word “propaganda” pretty loosely.

I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”


> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”

No, if you check my comment history you will see that I said something along the lines of don't flatten the curve, kill it with longer, harsher lockdowns. Just search for my top downvoted posts. I still maintain that stance, two months of harsh worldwide lockdowns would have killed the spread completely and we would have been completely opened by the middle of last summer. Australia almost managed it alone, and a bit more of the world joining them could have.


China did exactly this. It worked decently for them.


The more of the world that does it, the better it works for everyone.


The data is not clear on this. Places that did no lockdown like Sweden have been pretty well off, other places that did heavy lock downs like NYC have not fared as well.


Sweeden has much worse results than that peers. NYC didn't do lockdowns well - the state sending infected people to nursing homes is the opposite of lockdowns.


> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”

The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them, which brought us in the US to where we are today when antivax lag hampered us from outrunning the delta variant.

Iceland[1], with >70% vaccination rates, is seeing much different outcomes even in spite of record infections.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/iceland-covid-su...


> The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them,

This is misinformation. Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. 50% of their new cases are “breakthrough cases”


Iceland is reintroducing restrictions, possibly for years. Gibraltar at 99% vaccination rate is having an outbreak.

If 99% vaccination rate will not achieve herd immunity, what will?


Stop with all your facts and numbers, people have a religion to follow.


Lots of antivax activists have been attacking vaccination sites all over North America and Europe




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