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> I've always found the reports of his behind the scenes behavior and its stark contrast with his public persona to be incredibly disturbing, because it paints a picture of someone with psychopathic tendencies.

That is a reality distortion field. The Tesla CEO is good at that and it reflects on the deceptive advertisement of FSD and the actual reality of it being unfinished and still unsafe and it puts the lives of many drivers at risk on the roads.



No it doesn't put lives at risk. Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving. One of the following must be true:

1) Tesla FSD actually is L5 full self driving

2) Tesla FSD is just driver assist and everyone knows it

3) People are dying in Tesla crashes at a massive rate

I doubt that it's 1 and I know it's not 3 because this would have been noticed immediately by the agencies that track this sort of thing and would be a huge news story. So it has to be 2. Nobody is actually stupid enough to be fooled by the name.


> No it doesn't put lives at risk. Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving.

Most people I've talked to cannot accurately articulate the boundary of its operational capability, and there is a growing number of injured and dead "FSD" drivers that seem to have very muddied expecations of what "full self-driving" means.


Another option: Tesla FSD is just driver assist, and most people know that. Yet from time to time, people get into accidents either because they overestimate the abilities of FSD or because they don't react quickly enough when FSD puts them into an unsafe situation.


> Everyone knows it's not actually full self driving.

So "FSD" doesn't actually mean "Full Self Driving" then? So this is not deceptive advertising then by Tesla Inc.? I'm assuming that you also have known that FSD was also advertised as 'Full Level 5 Autonomy' by Tesla Inc. as well which was due for completion in 2020 or early 2021? [0]

Where are the 'robotaxis' that was advertised and due for 2020 then? [0] So you are admitting that Tesla Inc. deliberately mislead its customers then?

[0] https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-autonomous-driving-lev...


Well then I guess you should ask for your money back. You have a reasonable case for a refund.


Maybe tell that to these people? [0] I think they want more than just a refund.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/05/business/tesla-autopilot-...


What about the lives that have been saved? Do those not count? Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop. What if that guy was in an Audi and ran over a child while passed out?


If it were an Audi, I assume the adaptive cruise control with stop and go or the collision avoidance system would have brought it to a stop as well.


> Just this week a drunk driver passed out and the Tesla safely slowed down to a stop

Maybe that 'driver' shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place given that he was drunk? You have to knowingly get inside of the car and start it up all manually to use it.

Does being drunk give a pass to everyone behind the wheel to do the same thing? You are still putting other drivers at risk regardless of the car that is driven, even especially what you are using is beta software.

I wouldn't want to use such software that confuses the moon with a traffic light [0]

[0] https://twitter.com/JordanTeslaTech/status/14184133078625853...


> Maybe that 'driver' shouldn't be behind the wheel in the first place

That particular driver, no. What about a medical condition?

The moon thing is funny but was that unsafe? There's also the truck that was carrying traffic lights.

Edge cases. Humans make even worse decisions daily, nobody cares but people still die.


> What about a medical condition?

Yes, we deny people licenses for some of those, too. We test visual acuity. We test depth perception. We test actual driving ability, and we do it more frequently at ages when people are more likely to lose required facilities. We make laws against driving temporarily impaired for a variety of reasons which we can't test for in advance. And we take people's licenses away when they fail to drive correctly sufficiently, too.

People absolutely do care about poor decisions and failures of capacity without a poor decision by humans.




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