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You can believe that homosexuality is at least partly environmental while also believing that people should have the freedom to be as gay as they want to be.

I don't really like these appeals to motive; this is quite an interesting empirical question that's disconnected from discrimination. Even if it would turn out that homosexuality is a choice (I don't think it is, but let's assume it would be) then this wouldn't change my position one iota. People choose whether to smoke weed or not, and I also think people should have the freedom to choose to do so.

I'm not so sure what the evidence says on this, but it appears it's less of clear-cut "it's 100% genetic" than it seems to be. These things are notoriously hard to study.

The real problem seems to be that people are afraid that the "God hates fags" people will run with these kind of things, but these people will do their thing anyway no matter what the science says on account of being homophobic twats.



I'm a little confused, you seem to be using choice and environment like they are synonymous here. It's a small nitpick but, even if this is environmental or epigenetic it doesn't necessarily mean that people get to choose the environment they exist in, at least in their formative years.


Reading my post again, I probably could have chosen some better wording here and there. However, the point is that it doesn't matter if homosexuality is either environmental or a choice: the effects people having gay sex remains the same: people have gay sex with no negative consequences to anyone at all. Nothing more. And therefore they should have the freedom to have as much gay sex as they damn well please. Everything else is, quite frankly, just bullshit.

As I pointed out in my other comment[1], I definitely chose to have gay sex at some point and certainly could have chosen not to. I don't think it's so black/white.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26073364


Of course! I should have mentioned that I absolutely agree with the thrust of your original comment :) I should have been less confrontational with my opening statement.


That's not at all what was being said. The question of what causes homosexuality or heterosexuality is an interesting scientific question. Even if it were purely by choice, that doesn't reflect on any other characteristic of a person, and any fear that homophobes might try to use some hypothesis or another for their propaganda doesn't matter because they don't care about science anyway.




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