You should be careful with these statistics for three reasons.
1. Their provenance is sketchy. The EU report sources data from private advocacy organizations. That data is in turn extrapolated, premised on the idea that most "honor crimes" are unreported.
2. Their definitions are sketchy. By the report's logic, the difference between an honor crime and domestic violence is cultural intent. Domestic violence is highly prevalent across Europe (and, of course, the United States, where it accounts for a plurality of all those currently incarcerated in major metro jails, despite a microscopic population of people from cultures where "honor crimes" are a thing). And, of course, almost none of these crimes are murder or attempted murder.
3. The goals are sketchy. There's an extent to which reporting on "honor crimes" can be seen as a way to take a universal phenomenon, separate out the Muslims, and pathologize their incidence of that phenomenon.
Certainly, with this report, you are nowhere close to having presented evidence for the extraordinary claim that "hardcore Islamic immigration" has created an epidemic of "honor killings". You should, again, be more careful than this.
We’re getting quite OT here, but since where already at it... Why the quotes around the term honor crimes? I do believe there is a credible argument that domestic violence and honour-based violence are not the same thing. It’s not just private advocacy organizations that say this. Some interesting quotes from a report published by the UK government:
2.13. The rationale for HBV [honour-based violence] differs from other related crime types such as domestic abuse in that it usually occurs to preserve perceived social, cultural or religious traditions or norms. HBV can involve multiple perpetrators taking drastic action which may be premeditated.
2.14. The other difference between HBV and other forms of abuse is that there are potentially significant risks to people associated with the victim, for example the victim’s children, siblings and friends as well as members of various authority groups and organisations who seek to assist the victim.
So based on this I would say HBV isn’t exactly the same thing as domestic violence. But of course, this is not only about muslims. Far from it. HBV is taking place in many different cultures and countries.
2.9. HBV is not linked to any one religion, culture or society. It has been identified as mainly occurring among populations from South Asia. However, it can occur in other cultures and communities, such as African, Middle Eastern, Turkish, Kurdish, Afghan, parts of Europe (including the United Kingdom) American, Australian and Canadian. HBV is not associated with any particular religion or religious practices and has been recorded across a number of faiths, including Christian, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim and Sikh communities.
I don’t know how prevalent these practices are in Sweden/Europe so I have no idea about the reliability of the stats from the EP briefing that was cited by 'coldtea. But I think it’s important that the authorities are aware about the specifics of the issue in order to help the victims in a proper manner. If we just say that it’s all domestic violence we might not be able to help the victims in a relevant way.
>Certainly, with this report, you are nowhere close to having presented evidence for the extraordinary claim that "hardcore Islamic immigration" has created an epidemic of "honor killings".
Notice how the word "epidemic" (and thus the rendering of my claim as "extraordinary") is yours.
I only said that honor killings "have been re-introduced as a practice" in Europe [1] due to fundamental muslim immigrants, which is neither extraordinary nor up to argument.
Seems like the word "sketchy" has also been thrown around a lot aiming to delegitimize any claim that such things can and do happen nowadays in Europe and based of specific, religious and regional based, cultural values.
For all the sketchiness in favor of over-reporting such things that you mention, there's as much an underreporting out of fear of looking as culturally insensitive/racist/etc, and out of lack of access (of social workers, police, etc) in those communities.
And this is not some fringe right-wing publication I've linked to, this is an official EU briefing report.
And it makes total sense that the difference between "an honor crime and domestic violence is cultural intent", since by definition a honor killing is a cultural act, based on the idea that one's status/standing in the community has been compromised because of the behavior of its daughter, children, etc. Domestic abuse is a more widespread umbrella category. You can have domestic abuse without honor crimes. Or you can practice various kinds of domestic abuse AND honor crimes (which is often the case in families that would consider honor crimes acceptable). Domestic violence is indeed highly prevalent across Europe and the US, but it is also highly prevalent across subcultures that consider "honor crimes" an acceptable practice.
[1] This also shows that I have no problem to admit that those were once a common enough practice by christian Europeans too. It has been on the wane all through the 20th century, though, before being reignited by newly arrived populations.
Most domestic abusers make some sort of excuse --- the victim is always "asking for it" somehow. Only when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture do we separate it out of the morass of all domestic violence into a scary new "honor crime" category.
>Only when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture do we separate it out of the morass of all domestic violence into a scary new "honor crime" category.
There's nothing new about "honor crime". We had that in Europe, by Europeans, for ages, and it was a common enough practice up until quite recently (up until the 50s or so). There are lots of studies about honor crimes and the relevant cultural notions behind them.
As for the cultural connection is in there by definition. The "honor" part implies a cultural impetus about what's "honorable" and how a daughter/son/wife/etc should behave, that is not the same as the personal motives (e.g. jealousy, feeling of inadequacy, etc) for general domestic abuse.
In other words, it's a special case of domestic abuse, with it's own, long, history.
And it's by no means invoked only "when that excuse involves some kind of foreign culture". It might seem like that to someone from a place with no major cultural history of "honor" codes and "honor crimes", but in several cultures in Europe, e.g. in Spain, Italy, Greece, etc., honor crimes were a thing (and occasionally pop up still), and we still clearly differentiate them from domestic abuse, have different terms for them etc. In our own country and culture -- no second culture involved.
(Wikipedia: "Honour in the Mediterranean world is a code of conduct, a way of life and an ideal of the social order, which defines the lives, the customs and the values of many of the peoples in the Mediterranean moral") -- as a mediterranean, this is quite accurate.
This is a lot of words, respectfully, none of which respond to my point. I have no trouble believing that Europeans have spent many decades ostracizing people from West Asia.
I know I'm repeating myself but I want to be clear: I'm not apologizing for "honor crimes". I'm suggesting that West Asia and Western Europe share a pattern of violent abuse, but call them different things, and that Europe exploits that to deflect attention to domestic violence by blaming things on the lurid crimes of immigrants.
There are xenophobes that use the term HBV to push their own murky agenda. That’s wrong. But when women from e.g. Kurdistan report about HBV I believe that their stories are worth listening to and taking serious. If we want to do something about these issues we first need to understand them.
1. Their provenance is sketchy. The EU report sources data from private advocacy organizations. That data is in turn extrapolated, premised on the idea that most "honor crimes" are unreported.
2. Their definitions are sketchy. By the report's logic, the difference between an honor crime and domestic violence is cultural intent. Domestic violence is highly prevalent across Europe (and, of course, the United States, where it accounts for a plurality of all those currently incarcerated in major metro jails, despite a microscopic population of people from cultures where "honor crimes" are a thing). And, of course, almost none of these crimes are murder or attempted murder.
3. The goals are sketchy. There's an extent to which reporting on "honor crimes" can be seen as a way to take a universal phenomenon, separate out the Muslims, and pathologize their incidence of that phenomenon.
Certainly, with this report, you are nowhere close to having presented evidence for the extraordinary claim that "hardcore Islamic immigration" has created an epidemic of "honor killings". You should, again, be more careful than this.