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Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now.

Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no.

[0] For example, suburbanites support Trump in about equal numbers and about 1/3 of college graduates and postgraduates support Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...



Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.


You'd be surprised. The left is no more unified that the right, in many ways, and members of the mainstream left have been cautioning against this derisive labeling issue for quite some time now. See, for example, Rensin's "The smug style in American liberalism" linked to on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004


Interesting. I'll check it out.


It's a good article. If modern progressivism were remotely at home to wisdom of the sort it offers, I wouldn't have cast a ballot for Trump today.


Sorry, I'm not a conservative.


Yes, stop the name-calling or you'll end up like the guy who coined "Lyin' Ted," "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco."


Also "Pocahontas"


Sorry, I don't get it. Which part is the name calling?

I also am not sure what you mean by 'fellow citizens' or 'the left'. I'm not American. And Hillary Clinton is not a left candidate, she's centre-right.


The racist part was the name calling. The post overall sounded derisive.

The people your criticizing want job security, not lynchings.


Are you saying Trump is not a racist? Are you saying that it's not true that many Trump supporters are openly racist? Are you saying this is not racism: https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 ?

Calling somebody out as racist is not name-calling if it's true.

I feel like the US has become this bizarre place where it's okay to be racist and sexist, but if you call people out for it you're the bad guy.


Many are, but so are many (assumed) Clinton supporters:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/27/berkeley-activists-block...

And as I said elsewhere, many of Trumps votes are coming from people that voted for Obama last time. Do you really think they are racist?


(assumed)


Racism and sexism are indeed alive and well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity...

The first and second hit are from you, humorously enough.


Fivethirtyeight had a funny post earlier today mentions how white males are now voting as a minority block.


Quoting you:

> (, racist) working class folks

You didn't say Trump was, you tried to smear the whole working class or at least the ones that voted for Trump.

I don't like Trump, I just personally refuse to think that 50% of Americans are stupid racists.


I put the racist in parenthesis, so clearly I don't mean all of them. But I think a lot of the sort of poor/working class Mid-Western people are in fact racist. If you listen to some reports of Trump rallies; or if you listen to how a lot of these people viewed the 'black lives matter' movement, I don't think its inaccurate. Or if you look at the very strong undercurrent of racism that permeates all of the US.

Racism has been shamed for many decades, and Trump made it 'in' again.

Racism was a major issue in this election. The SNL's 'black jeopardy' skit was surprisingly observant in this respect [1]. I didn't expect people on HN to just dismiss it like that. Or completely ignoring an argument about how people cutting their nose to spite their face, because it included the word 'racist'.

It's kind of ironic, like I tickled somebody's PC funny bone, when Trump's campagin was all about the freedom to say whatever you want.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUe0xy-yidk


My apologies, I had assumed that you were American.

Since this is a thread on an American presidential election, on the American political spectrum, Mrs. Clinton would be considered to be on the left or center-left.




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