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Fedora is 6.18, it’s like you did not notice the word Fedora, and chose shitty clone of Debian instead of Debian. Of course it worse, no need to prove that. Get Fedora.

Thanks for formulating this, as I’m too lazy to even start the conversation with the folks who’d like to have a lot of everything on their screens, with myriads of distractions and just ugly little everything. Otherwise ‘that’s tablet,’ and it’s ‘the Gnome team pushing their nonsense,’ not the particular user being used to something completely wrong from the UI/UX perspective. I’m having no issues with teaching Gnome anyone. It’s simple. Yet powerful, I can use it no issues, and it’s my second favourite after Sway. I feel those of us who actually appreciate Gnome should be more vocal about it, otherwise these weirdos with 2 mins of Gnome experience yelling too loud.

As one of these folks who want a lot of everything on my screen, I'm baffled by your declarations that my workflow is somehow objectively "wrong". Go convince Airbus that the cockpit can only have two gauges, and needs a lot of blank space.

It’s wrong because it takes too much of attention, which we don’t have a lot these days. Good for you if it works, and you really need that much at once. But it’s just wrong for a newcomer, people are getting lost among options. That’s not a rocket science, really. I won’t object there are interfaces where the most simple way of doing some work / task is to have everything on one screen, without constant switching. But for an average person using general purpose OS, it’s just not the case. My point of view that those folks who really need everything at once, they have no problems with creating an environment they need. Everyone else would benefit with the simple things being the default. I’m really happy about Gnome, I can recommend it to everyone, regardless of the previous experience, Windows or Mac. It’s simple enough to explain to a parent, by using a tablet metaphor. Here is the dock, here is the settings, upper right corner, here is all apps, etc. I even enjoy the no minimise button, you don’t really need it. I used Gnome for over a year on one of my computers, quite often and for prolonged periods of time, and even I’m a Sway user, I enjoyed it a lot. To the point I thought perhaps I should switch from sway. But I stayed with sway, for the simplicity’s sake. And the ability to design my personal environment as I see it.

I’m not even surprised any more.

Do you think they’d survive?

i have no idea, even less in usa, but with 80k a month income you could def pay for a dev team and infra in some countries.

Oh, I so love pasting random sensitive text that is also irrelevant into some professional conversation, and not noticing it. Only because I select the text I read, and accidentally pressed that button upon scrolling. Thank you very much. Happy to see you go, Mr UX guru.

Google is invested into you having WiFi all the time.

Weirdly, my very old Nexus 6P with the WiFi off, could lie untouched for weeks, with almost no battery depletion. Yet if I turn the WiFi on with near stock Android (meaning no messengers, tens of email accounts, etc, to constantly ping _something_), it just eats the battery within 24 hours tops. Perhaps that’s just the module itself, but I remember flashing LineageOS and having better savings. I have no real numbers to support that right now, although I still have the phone lying around somewhere and could test this some day.


Modern Google Android will use neighbouring WiFi networks to guesstimate your location quickly, so it's scanning even when the toggle says "off" unless you disable it. This location can be queried in the background when nearby devices broadcast the equivalent to Apple's "find my" network broadcasts, because Google uses collected reports of beacons+location to roughly locate tags and such. Opting out of all of that stuff should massively improve standby battery time.

I've also noticed the difference between vendor+custom ROM with a Xiaomi device, which I use as a second phone around the house for controlling smart lights and such. The biggest difference there seems to be that I don't have as many apps installed and as many features enabled, because during active use and shortly after, the battery drains just as fast as (actually a bit faster than) when using the original ROM.

Many custom ROMs (at least the LineageOS-based ones) also don't do thing like configure the country code for the WiFi chip and GPS caches. A large part of the 5GHz spectrum simply doesn't exist (by default) on my custom ROM devices so there's just less to scan in the background.


Flagged? As in flagged we’re the US company, obviously Republican, obviously trump supporting? Or just ‘meh, sorry, more comments then the likes, cannot do anything’?

You won't be reading about the end of the world on HN either, it will be flagged as off topic. HN is a lot of good things but there are also some very annoying sharp edges and abuse of flagging privileges is definitely one of those. But you take the good with the bad.

I do agree, thanks for formulating this. A brief thought visited me, isn’t that how propaganda works? Like, you’re getting mostly correct info, with some things censored, others saturated.

Yes, that is part of it. And part of it is 'useful idiots' doing what the propagandists would do as well.

On HN you will find people from a lot of different countries with a lot of different viewpoints. The main reason politics (and religion) are mostly taboo on here is because those subjects tend to polarize and turn the place into yet another shithole. So I can see why there is a strong push to keep those off the site.

But at the same time I'm realistic enough to know that everything has a political angle and that you can not solve a problem like this by denying its existence. That just makes it a bigger problem.

The mods here have an un-enviable job, they walk a very fine line with an extremely smart audience, and they are doing an absolutely amazing job of it given that most people would fail in that position in about 30 seconds flat. It is as even handed as you could possibly make it. But flagging is not a moderator action, it is the users and I've seen them be abused more than once, either because of personal dislikes or because of brigading.

Even so, you'd be hard pressed to find a place with better discourse on a large variety of subjects.


Am I the only one with no scroll on that website? While on mobile.

I was a bit puzzled by Firebird (I thought that’s a fork of Thunderbird, like, say, LibreWolf or Waterfox), but I couldn’t quickly find the project, so my assumption is that it’s just the misprint, and author thinking of Fire-fox -> Fire-bird, not being into ecosystem for too long to remember the actual bird. Anyway, that’s irrelevant to the point author’s making, and I’m happy there’s a new Linux adopter now. Thanks, M$, I guess.

Maybe it's supposed to be BetterBird [1], a Thunderbird tracking fork whose logo is a red phoenix rather than a blue bird?

[1] : https://betterbird.eu/


I misremembered the name, it's Thunderbird. But thanks for your comment, I did not know about Betterbird, but I will give it a try!

Yes, I did not get the name right. Firefox -> Firebird is what I misremembered.

I used Arch Linux on my MacBook Pro 13” (2011) and it was almost perfect (one iGPU), some weird sleep issues, plus battery calibration issues: battery often went down to 7% within like 30 minutes, and then it takes a couple of hours to 0%. But if you happened to close it, it will either power off or hibernate (won’t recall). Then a couple of keys would stop working, and I’d just rsync my entire system to a newer (2014) retina MacBook Pro 13” (instead of fixing the keyboard, there’s no point in that). Perhaps, these laptops are very popular for Linux enthusiasts — I think 15” from 2015 is the best Linux laptop you can get for the money — but this laptop is just perfect! Everything works flawlessly, sleep, hibernation, screen, keyboard backlight… ah, I forgot about the web camera, doesn’t, but I never used it really, it’s crap anyway. The battery life is amazing, I’m getting like 8 hours of real work for the new battery, or even longer for very light work. So, I’d say it depends on the hardware quite a lot. Maybe I’m just very experienced now, but I won’t say I am.

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