I don’t know why you think this is an edgy comment, I’m actually screenshotting it to take a look tomorrow at the links. I’ve seen Anna archive and SCI hub which are extremely useful, if it helps finding more gems I’m all for it !
I do that on my phone. It's almost as easy to tap an ocr-ed url in my photos app as it is to click a link on a web page.
(On my laptop, I'm just as likely to spend half a day writing a scraper or reverse engineering the javascript and apis to collect a dozen or two urls that I should have just jotted down in my notebook...)
It read that way to me too. It's the familiar switcheroo/hoist by their own petard/ironic one-upping move, a routine as well known to the internet as ape behavior is to Jane Goodall.
Sure buddy. Price-gouging consumers, regional lock-ins, paying creators a tiny %, revoking licenses, using public funds to make for-profit media, etc., these are all humane and chill.
This is the result of the laws put in place, and yes they should be changed. That doesn't make pirating morally or legally justified. 'Because he is bad I can be bad too' is morally wrong.
I understand your point, but the laws in place are heavily decided by the lobbyists and cartels that pad the pockets of politicians. If the system is unfair or immoral, playing by its rules doesn’t make things any better.
I’m not saying “hey, go steal from content creators”. I studied multimedia and was a content creator myself. I pay for many of my media, but draw the line somewhere, e.g. do I think Disney deserves my money…
"I don't think Disney deserves money". And that, in my eyes, makes it morally incorrect. They are the copyright holder, or a lot of times the creator. They thus deserve the income. They being evil doesn't make your evil correct.
Disney is notorious and indefensible in their appropriation of works that were not copyrighted, lobbying for extending copyright duration and reach, and even violating copyright themselves.
All this without going into the vast and comprehensive criticism that can be levied against Disney.
If you agree with their business antics and that they legally and ethically hold copyright rights to all their work, then I propose you pay them indeed. That’s fair. But then we’ll disagree on these terms, not whether I’m evil for not paying them.
Not a mobile issue. I am on desktop and had no idea what this service was because nothing on the initial UI explained what we were looking at. I went and double-checked when people here were talking about pricing and VMs. From the home page, I figured it was some text-based game or experiment and closed the page.
It looks like some people who work there are watching this thread, so to them I say: You have got to explain what this is, not just say "the disk persists..." and expect people to dig deeper. Most aren't that curious.
>From the home page, I figured it was some text-based game or experiment and closed the page.
Same, my first thought was that it's some pentesting game where you're given a VM and your task is to somehow break it. The line "the disk persists. you have sudo" sounds like game rules.
It's odd to see how people are not accustomed to plain websites anymore. You click the 'About' link in the footer, and get a direct explanation of what it is, pricing and the entire documentation.
Given that this is an AD for the ten millionth VPS service, it should be upfront about the value proposition. Most people think its a game or something interesting and when they find out what it is they're disappointed. You dont want people associating that with your brand.
Even the 'About' page doesn't have much information either though
All the About page contains is:
> exe.dev is a subscription service that gives you virtual machines, with
persistent disks, quickly and without fuss. These machines are immediately
accessible over HTTPS, with sensible and secure defaults. You can share your
web server as easily as you can share a Google Doc. With built-in optional
authentication, so you can focus on your thing.
> Your VMs share CPU/RAM. Create as many VMs as you like with the resources
you have.
As (probably?) their target audience, this is very clear to me. It’s a service to create persistent VMs and ssh into them. What’s missing?
Granted, navigation on mobile could be better – the “All docs” breadcrumb is the only way to find the pricing and rest of the docs. On desktop it is clearer.
What is the purpose of the landing page of this site, if it conveys nothing? Sure, 'about' explains what it is, but then from there I need to go back to a page that's called 'all docs' to see the link to pricing.
Don't defend this. It's not plain. It's obtuse.
A properly designed plain site will have the following text front and centre on it's hero:
"virtual machines in the cloud with persistent disks and sudo, starting from $20/month."
It's kind of funny our experiences are so diffent. I almost immediately surmised it's some sort of on the fly generated vm you can access via a ssh jumpserver. Which it is! It's actually really neat. It's quite obvious that the authors want us to just ssh into it and try it out first.
Are you honestly suggesting that startups should be picky about taking on customers?
That’s probably the oddest thing to read on a tech VC forum.
The lading page was garbage. It’s forgivable because designing goods landing pages is hard. But inventing wacky ideas about why a bad landing page might have some hidden genius, isnt constructive feedback
Why are you giving in to such a troll/AI/low effort comment. If the page was some genius implication and I were too stupid to get it then his comment had a good point. The page has a random ssh command and this dude thinks it's genius.
It's not interactive. It's just an extremely brief brochure for the actual service, which is available via SSH. All the useful copy is under the About link at the bottom, which is so light as to fail WCAG contrast standards.
I mean, I've done engineering work for the last 15 years on most layers of the stack. Seeing an ssh command into a fancy url does not tell me anything about what that is going to accomplish. But yeah, you must be right.
I wouldn’t go that far but some link to pricing and documentation would be useful. I have absolutely no idea what the offering is here without those pieces of info.
That link isn’t really easy to find from the home page is a large part of the gripe here. You have to click About in the footer, remain curious enough to click All Docs on that page (which Pricing isn’t usually a part of “docs”), then all you get is a Pricing paragraph that says “Plan options for individuals, teams, and enterprises.” Not very helpful until you realize the heading text “Pricing” is a plain colored link to this pricing page with more info. The whole UX of this site is garbage and what has fostered so many gripes here.
I was confused too. I first thought I should open up my terminal and just enter `ssh dev.exe` and this would be some kind of ssh-based interface? Honestly my first thought is that it would be one of those cool dev hack / art projects like the old starwars traceroute to 216.81.59.173
It didn't read as a company with products at all to me from the front page. Just a cryptic " The disk persists. You have sudo." with links to "Login" and "About * Blog * Discord" --- no pricing link, which made me think it was a weird hobby / art.
I've seen enough of these kinds of services in my lifetime that I also immediately knew what it was, for example sdf.org, which is one of the OG services, and various "tilde" services like tilde.town.
I thought the same, but it’s not quite like either of those things. It has their same benefits but way more flexibility with its VM model. It offers auth, and will forward most ports for developer access.
All this was totally lost on me from looking at the website. “I already have tilde and sdf, I don’t need this.”
If I hadn’t looked into the comments I would still think that.
Hyperbole much? I'm on mobile and think it's great. I wish more websites were like this. Just straight to the point instead of all the regular marketing fluff you need to decipher.
This thread seems to reflect how the HN audience has shifted — less commenters know what `ssh example.com` does and more commenters concerned about privacy policy.
Yeah, and it really is not I would want to do, just like diving into unknown water that sparkles weird.. It's an instinct, can get past it but to get more info about the service... nah.
If their target audience is someone who remotes into a random machine because a opaque landing page them to, it's probably not gonna work very well. Those people are too busy sniffing glue.
Ah, but in North America, only double-pane windows are required. Triple-pane windows are considered necessary for noise abatement but are prohibitively expensive. There are government rebates for upgrading older homes from single to double-pane windows, but no third-pane increase in the rebate.
Yes, and to give an idea I replaced some windows in my house a couple years back. The double pane windows on the north side were about $100 to $150 per, while the triple pane windows on the south side were $900. The triple pane also had higher installation labor costs. It seemed ludicrous to me that it would be so much more expensive, but after calling around, that was very typical.
Don't they use machinery to carry the windows? Even double pane gets heavy. The windows of the sliding doors I've recently got replaced were like 200kg each.
Not here in the Netherlands. By law anything heavier than 23kg should be carried by a machine. In principle one can carry something heavier, but then there needs to be a written plan etc.
It's very common to carry stuff with a small crane. If it needs to be carried to thd back of the house which is not accessible, they set up a bigger crane.
I bet y'all have comprehensive workers compensation coverage and good healthcare too. Half the contractors around here lie about carrying a personal injury policy and several I've worked for had a standing policy where if you fell off a roof, scaffold, or ladder it was understood that you were fired before you hit the ground.
I got extra thick glasses (12mm thick each instead of 6mm standard) for my argon filled double pane windows in the bedroom. The noise isolation is incredbly improved. It did cost only 15% more. This is Europe again.
12mm thick glass is pretty damn thick and is normally used for for table tops, glass walls and partitions, hearths, frameless balustrades at ground level, and kitchen worktops.
They are the standard, because historically Eastern European winters are several times harsher than anything in USA, with the exception of a few states bordering Canada.
More like the lack of natural fuel that Europe is willing or able to use for itself.
Noticeable exception includes Norway with their gas fields, but it's not like Germany has huge swaths of oil ready to be used. Germany does have substantial coal, but it's been decreasing its use of it in exchange for alternatives it doesn't own the fuel for.
In other words, Europe pays more for energy because they have to import it. Importing it isn't factoring "externalities", as the extra money isn't going to anything except Russia or OPEC.
Trump is copying his friend Putin too much.
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