Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit | rdtsc's commentslogin

> For example, when going through airport security in the UK and US you will see signs warning that insulting security officers is a criminal offense

I had never seen one in US. How is it framed, specifically "insulting", or framed as "non-compliant" or some other way?


Well at least doesn’t have to worry about “suspension does not lower” and “charger covered in dirt “ or “cat hides under there for warmth” problems. Those are on top of the existing charging losses.

Poor cat...

Heh. I didn't mean it in a gruesome way :-) just saw that someone mentioned it has a sensor to shut it off. So assuming it works as designed a cat might like the nice warm pad to hang out on in the winter. Owner parks hoping to charge their car by morning, the pad charges for 10 min, stray cat notices car is back and hides in there for warmth, charger stop charging immediately, cat moves on, and next day the car is not charged and the owner can't leave for work. It's just not a failure mode a cable has to worry about.

Now I'm wondering how this thing would affect a cat sitting on it while the car is parked above.

The charger includes motion sensors and “foreign object detection”.

If a pet, person, or metal object gets between the pads, the system supposedly stops working so nothing overheats.

So, it might get a cat yelled at ^_^


> We built out a control plane service (CPS) responsible for automating Delta’s fleet management. Each instance of the CPS gets configured to monitor a list of Delta buckets. Its primary function includes repairing

How does the configuration spread consistently across the nodes? How does each node know if each link to the next node is still the most up-to-date, based on the configuration system. This part usually is waved away but it’s one of the trickier bits. Usually there is some paxos/raft/zookeeper system involved here.


Thanks. Reading it at first seemed like “the people” here is you know, end users, people toggle some settings on their devices, not a government employee deciding. It turns out a government employee doing it. Yeah, just because US government is goofy doesn’t somehow make others sane or good.

> When asked if ShinyHunters was going to attempt to extort the FBI, the representative said, “what we plan to do is not something I’d call extortion, maybe coercion... This is not financially motivated,” they added

They should try something like "100 agents at noon on Sep 23 do the chicken dance for 30 min in the middle of the street in DC, then we'll consider not releasing the info and not sell it to the Chinese".


Man, that quote is gonna suck when it gets read out in the courtroom. Even with the FBI in the shambles it’s in under Kash Patel, if you’re dumb enough to say something like that on the record, you’re definitely not smart enough to evade capture.

It depends on where these people are from.

If they're just a bunch of common crimimals from China or Russia, I doubt they'll appear in court.

American courts are real scary when you live in a country that works together with the USA, but if you don't, all you need is to make sure your crimes aren't worth starting another invasion over.


AFAIK ShinyHunters has some overlap with Scattered Spider, The Com, and Lapsus$.

The ones who've been unmasked haven't been sophisticated criminals, they're literally Discord teens trying to outdo each other.

Some have been American, others British, French, and Brazilian. At least one has been extradited from France.

It's a pretty odd community. I would expect most of these kids are smart enough to work a regular job when they graduate, it's wild what the allure of clout will convince one to do.


At least one of the people from the groups you mentioned turned out to be a guy living with his parents in Jordan. Unless the FBI asks Israel to redirect their war crime machine a little to hit him specifically, he's basically above the law when it comes to this stuff.

Not saying he had anything to do with this particular hack, but I doubt the ones within reach of the American justice department would be dumb enough to actually threaten the FBI like this.


Yup, stealing from the FBI is pretty bold, probably a state sponsored group. Or script kids who got lucky up to that point.

Let's see in a year if they've been caught or dealt with? I have a feeling Patel is too loaded to even care about this

that would brighten my day for once this year

Yeah... what could go wrong :D.

The worst? 100 FBI agents to do the chicken dance in DC for 30 minutes and then the database is sold to the Chinese

Completely discounting its real world consequences, it could be the funniest way it would plan out. If it were a movie: hilarious.

I think you would enjoy this episode of Black Mirror: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_Anthem_(Black_Mir...

> 100 FBI agents to do the chicken dance in DC for 30 minutes

Given the recent revelations about the FBI's predilection for animal activities, "dance" should be probably in quotes there.


I've just been calling them gay (because fed cops are famously secure about their sexuality) for years. Is there a meme I'm missing?

Not a meme but rather news. The FBI has recently updated their hiring guidelines and, among other things, they've removed "bestiality" from the list of reason that automatically disqualify an applicant.

Their argument is that, for instance, people who have been coerced into bestiality against their will may want to join the FBI to prevent other people from suffering the same fate but are automatically disqualified from doing so.

For a tongue-in-cheek version you can check late night shows from last week.


> Their argument is that, for instance, people who have been coerced into bestiality against their will may want to join the FBI to prevent other people from suffering the same fate but are automatically disqualified from doing so.

Wait, that implies they equaled being forced into bestiality as being into bestiality? It's like refusing all thieves and their victims.


I kind of feel sorry for the people who were hired the day after that policy took effect. (Only kind of because they decided to work for Patel.)

> Demonstrate the emergence of life from chemical precursors in a laboratory setting

Wait, isn’t this an already solved problem? I remember in the 90s school books (material written in the 80s-70s likely) it was presented as “so and so did electric discharges in an atmospheric gas mixtures and they got organic molecules” therefore the origins of life is solved. I remember thinking how cool that was. I guess the “therefore” step was sort of a lie if it’s still an open problem…


You're thinking of the Miller-Urey experiment. They got some biomolecules (amino acids, etc) but definitely not life

Yeah that's the one. Just looked it up it was it the early 1950s. I guess I was either too impressionable or the textbook and/or teacher cut a few corners because I remember it being presented as "we solved the origins of life already" situation.

Science was presented in a just-so way in our youth. It still is ( #Scicomms ), but back then, whether reading Junior Scholastic or the margin captions of a high school science textbook handed down ex cathedra, there was no communication pathway to pose vexing questions in a publicly visible way as we do now.

We don't even know if Miller or Urey themselves would have (or did) frame their results that way. The honest framing is 'hey this is one way to form amino acids, and maybe that pathway is reflective of the origin of life, but that supposition remains conjecture on our part.'


biologists got even further - experiments managed to make RNA longer than a different team's self-replicating RNA

still not all the way to something alive-like

I recently watched this video on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXGgrXwllc


> zfs is shunned. can't really get around that copyright issue

Well except for Ubuntu, one of the most popular Linux distros supporting it.


There's also not a lot of money in Canonical for someone (Oracle) to sue for. Red Hat (now IBM/Red Hat) and I guess even SUSE is a different equation. Red Hat just wouldn't touch ZFS because of licensing.

Nevertheless, Ubuntu is one the most popular linux distributions. So “can’t be done” is obviously not true since it has been done.

One can say it is “dangerous” and they haven’t been sued “yet” but the deed is done already.


So use Ubuntu. Why do you care if other distros consider it too risky given different business positions/models?

> So use Ubuntu.

I am using Ubuntu!

> Why do you care if other distros consider it too risky given different business positions/models?

I don't know. Why do people comment on HN? :shrug:? It's fun and interesting to have a conversion?

I was mainly responding to a GP post that said "zfs is shunned. can't really get around that copyright issue". It didn't have a subject in there. As in "I can't really get around" or "anyone can't get around". And I read it as the second version and pointed that at least one distro did get around it.


That's the answer, it's a way to squat on land. Another way I know of is a golf course. It's more maintenance but it's a way to generate some cash to offset property taxes and then wait for a decade or two and sell.

I had an acquaintance who had a couple of driving ranges for golf for that exact purpose. He said it kept the property taxes lower than if he had built nothing on them. His only goal was to be break-even until he sold.

I wonder when/if we’ll see Gemini beating Fable and Astra. Last year I would have confidently bet Google will overtake the others just because they have the data, the hardware (TPUs) and a fat advertising money pipe and yet they are still behind. Anyone anonymous at Google want to hint when Gemini 4 will be out?

As an "everyday mans AI" I'd say 3.8 Flash definitely already has. Smart enough for the vast swath of people, and only slightly eeked out by Astra(Max) on vision capabilities, like the kind of "Point your camera at something and ask questions" that non-tech people like to do. It's crazy fast and very compute light, so not getting bogged down constantly.

I can't think of a better general purpose model than 3.8 flash right now. It also writes more naturally than the other big models too.


I find it really good and up-to-date, like within an hour of current events or website updates that it can reference. Astra is a step up for complex stuff, but I'm not going to use up all my tokens to ask it the specs of a 2023 MacBook pro then wait 3 minutes only to get a tome with a complete breakdown of the Mac OS platform and including such things as the supply side dynamics driving the ram size choices and pricing at that time.

I was thinking about coding specifically. Also, see all these math and physics breakthroughs, it's usually not Gemini but Fable and Astra.

I think 3.7 Flash is very good at coding. I have access to both that and Opus 5. Opus is only slightly better IMO and it's much more frustrating to read.

I think it's good at basic coding and is cheaper and faster. Trying it vs Fable 5.1 I don't see it being even close capability-wise. What I mean by basic coding is "write a script to parse this data" and answering some questions based on the code. It does that well and answers fast. However, when it comes to planning and thinking through a more complicated design problem it's just not there yet.

It's not even close. Some benchmarks show 3.8 Flash as being close to Astra (DeepSWE v1.1), but they are mostly "bench-maxed". Newer benchmarks like Terminal-Bench 4.0 show Astra at 57.9% and 3.8 Flash at 19.1%. For anyone who has tried to code with Gemini models, there is no contest here.

Astra wins handily on every other benchmark, too. Research, science, 3D, visual, Humanity's Last Exam, etc.


You can't compare a heavyweight, expensive and slow model to Flash. Comparing apples to oranges.

I agree, and I didn't compare them. The users above me did. I was explaining that they are, in fact, incomparable.

Not only that, the output of tps is high. So not only can it handle most mid-level tasks perfectly fine, but can do it with speed!

Yeah +1 to this

People use text with LLMs but it's great to have a high fidelity "analyze this image"


Yeah its good. Reasonably priced too (at current prices, if they do raise them in January I would stop recommending it). 3.7/3.8 were good releases.

To me it's a good replacement for search engines. I ask it things like 'If redshifting destroys energy ala Noether, than how can we say that time is reversible or that entropy will find an equilibrium?' and it will not only explain, but make nice interactive diagram/toys to help. A regular search engine would have taken me hours to find an answer.

However, if I want it to DO something then Gemini is in absolute last place. I don't trust it for anything more than renaming files that I don't care about very much or extracting data (though it's too expensive for data extraction at scale).


I’ve mapped my iPhone Action Button directly in to Google App AI Mode (which is Gemini 3.8 but faster inference than the Gemini App, due to harness)

It’s for this exact kind of scenario where a random question pops in to my head.

Plus, it’s the most grounded by real live data of all the chatbots.

Silicon Valley people are majorly sleeping on Google Search AI Mode.


where did you see the prices?

I’m wondering if they even see a coding agent as a valuable prize. It’s a competitive market in a race to the bottom economically, hard to establish consistent differentiation and virtually zero switching cost for customers.

I think they’ve made a shrewd move in focusing on search integration and everyday users (Gemini app) vs software power users. They have their corner and nobody is really competing with them, plus it feeds directly into their existing revenue stream.


OpenAI/Anthropic are being valued at 25/50% of Alphabet respectively in secondary markets.

Maybe everybody is wrong about how valuable these companies will be, but atm it looks very dumb to not be competitive in coding.


Google is not being dumb or making some 4D strategic move by not going after coding capabilities.

Occam's Razor is overwhelmingly that they just don't have the organisational capability to capture this market. If they did then they absolutely would have.


Occam’s Razor could also simply be that OpenAI and Anthropic are massively overvalued.

If OpenAI or Anthropic go away tomorrow, people find a new model and move on. If Google goes away tomorrow, people’s lives would be severely disrupted, and in the case of Gmail / Drive / auth access, even temporarily collapse.


Not sure what any of your reply here, whilst true, has to do with my original comment.

Oh, for sure. I think this is definitely failure to execute and not a strategic choice. Their "acquisition" of Windsurf was a clear desire to be in this market.

Anecdata, but I've been using gemini personally instead of what I used regular google searches for the better part. Even in car chat/search and some lighter and not so light research (if it's not heavy on technicals). It's good enough that I use it nonstop like that. I wouldn't trust it for coding at all - switching between fable and now astra.

Google in a sense won (me over) like that. I also expected them to brute force their way into everything and dominate. This is how it played out though. Image generation is great as well, but ChatGPT one is more lenient on copyright and nannying - for example when my kid asks me to "take a photo of him and Sonic". Gemini cops out either because of the kid or Sonic, disappointing us both, but ChatGPT can be.. persuaded.


I just use Grok for anything "controversial" like that. I actually love that different LLMs have their niches. In a typical week I might use all of Claude, Gemini, and Grok, for different kinds of asks.

For coding models? I don't think Google is motivated to fight in that market. There's no incentive for them.

Ask yourself, how does Google -- a company that famously does everything -- benefit from SWEs outside of Google having access to powerful coding models? They would just be competition.

Famously, Google just eventually discards almost all businesses that don't have the same fire hose of revenue that ads does. Selling coding plans isn't something they are going to want to do.

Google is clearly motivated to make better search and information finding tools and stuff that will ultimately drive users through their existing search/ads/youtube ecosystem. That's really why they're in Android, that's why they do Chrome. Everything else with them is a sideshow.

Google is also full of beancounters obsessed with data centre quota and resourcing. Even massively profitable ads projects have to justify and fight for it. (Source: used to work there).

I can't think of anything less resource & revenue sensible than providing outside parties access to your TPUs for the purpose of letting them write stuff which could just end up competing with you.

Yes, maybe as part of their cloud business, selling token access could be useful money. But I doubt they'd tune it for coding.


> Ask yourself, how does Google -- a company that famously does everything -- benefit from SWEs outside of Google having access to powerful coding models? They would just be competition.

Bragging rights to say they have a SOTA model. I guess that was more like Google of 10 years ago with moonshot projects. Nowadays, yeah, perhaps if it's not helping sell ads, it doesn't make sense.


Google did it AlphaGo, AlphaFold etc for bragging rights, now let frontier lab do their thing.

It would be utter stupidity if they keep competing with hyper agile frontier labs. They sensibly moving to big infra provider and that's good niche.

> .. perhaps if it's not helping sell ads,

Perhaps cloud business is also a thing which is making big revenue


You say "keep competing"... the hyper agile frontier labs and Google/MSFT are practically one and the same via circular financing arrangements. Competition on the frontier is kinda a farce, what matters is who comes out of the modern-day Darien scheme as a winner.

At worst Google just need to keep the lights on until the frontier labs file for bankruptcy under the weight of that >$1tn debt they've built up paying for FAANG's data centers. Then Google walks away from all of this with the the best remaining models, best R&D lab, and several hundred billion dollars in infrastructure on their balance sheet.


> Ask yourself, how does Google -- a company that famously does everything -- benefit from SWEs outside of Google having access to powerful coding models?

Catch is, even Googlers internally do not have access to top-tier models. (or did not until recently, when apparently Claude was made accessible to the SWEs internally).


Googlers now have internal access to frontier models.

Funny enough, after trying it, I went back to G3.8


Yes, agreed, 3.8 with thinking is quite good.

Also: Google has like a 20% stake in Anthropic, and a very fat cloud partnership

> I wonder when/if we’ll see Gemini beating Fable and Astra

Google has essentially give up the race for the frontier. The gap is widening very fast. Their strategy appears to be to focus on niche areas like voice, small models for on-device (see their deal with Apple), and specialised models for tasks like search, which are very inference efficient.


Considering how far backwards Google has gone since the release of the 3.x models, the brain drain they've let happen, the lacklustre software ecosystem and their track record with product management ... I would say they're more likely to drop trying to compete at the frontier and try to focus on something else instead.

For me 3.8 has been good enough that I don’t think I’ll be extending my Claude subscription.

I have a shared understanding for what you're asking, but semantic versioning doesn't even make sense for AI models

these are essentially monthly releases, the dated releases that Deepseek and Qwen do make more sense


If Google didnt have their ad buisness theiy'd be out by now. They're like BlackBerry and Nokia at this point almost.

Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment.

As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive


Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever

Google has in excess of $121 billion of cash (& equivalents), net of total debt.

Big rich companies take on debt for reasons that are sometimes inscrutable from the outside. Recently, they have been borrowing for ~5%, about a half point above what the US government gets for 10-year Treasuries.

Apple has been financing operations with debt for a number of years as part of a complex optimization plan.

No, Google is not broke.


There are a lot of accounting shenanigans going on in Big Ai, financial reports are misleading, eg Meta "building" a data center through a shell company and then renting it to themselves. It does wonders for the looks of the books

Some expert wall street analysts discussing what they found and how they dissect things, have a healthy skepticism of Big Ai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrJzjC4kKCY


In a quarter with record breaking income of over $100 billion, they also had negative $5.9 billion in free cash flow from their "bank account", because the people selling them chips and building them data centers want to be paid, while the investment itself is depreciated over time.

If my quick search is correct, Google is sitting on a quarter trillion dollars in cash and marketable securities. They could keep doing the negative cash flow thing at this scale for another decade.


Which is still a better position that the others? My point is you can't consider that a bad thing if you think it's ok for their competitors in the field. And if you don't and your judge them equally, then at least Google has its own cash glow and could turn the gas off at any point to go back to printing money while they have not choice.

Have you seen Google's balance sheet?

And YouTube, and Cloud, and Play Store, and Waymo, not to mention that they could coast on their Anthropic and SpaceX stakes if they didn't have any of the above.

Maps, Waymo, TPUs, YouTube, Docs, GMail, Cloud, Android, Chrome, Photos...

They remind me of Kodak inventing the digital camera and sitting on it to preserve their film business.

You’d have to catch them first. If you watch the video there almost zero hand to hand combat. Their arrows don’t seem to have stabilizers either.

Obviously if this was filmed on video someone could have given one side a machine gun. Would’ve they used it or would have they still opted to maintain the tradition and fight the old way. The battle may have other reasons besides 100% dominating or wiping out the opponent.


Sadly, guns have entered these conflicts since that film was recorded, and there have been far more fatalities. They've changed the dynamic and not for the better. Central government doesn't seem to have much control over big portions of PNG. Language and remoteness are two major barriers to that.

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: