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Markets form naturally from consensual interactions of goods and services for money.

I suppose you could argue the government creating the money allowed the market but alternatives currencies would be created like gold or now crypto.


Markets with particular rules that help keep monopolies in place don't form naturally. They require a state entity to enforce the rules.


Guess this means we should remove as many rules as possible to avoid monopolies.


> Corporations don't exist as an entity except via the authorisation from government.

Eliminate corporations from being legal entities. They shield employees from their illegal actions and provide a shield against lawsuits. Then we could avoid the extra litigation necessary for Peircing the corporate veil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piercing_the_corporate_veil


"Working people had to pay these other people and for what?"

The productive capacity this money enabled. Except instead of the gov doing it 1000 miles away, they had skin in the game, took risks and monitored the situation to ensure success.


I'm specifically talking about government bonds, since these have 0 risks. If risk is correlated to yield, these should have no more than 0% interest rate.


I wonder if the inflation from money printing can be used to level out deflation from 90's bad debt/bankruptcy/shrinking population?

The only issue will be when Japan has an ungodly amount of old people with no money to take care of them because the gov spent it all. And no population to tax because they stopped having children.

And no goods or services because not enough people are providing them.


I think you're thinking about this from the opposite perspective. We spend ungodly amounts of money on education.

For instance Detroit Public Schools spend $14,259 per student per year.

There is more than enough money to provide services.


No, that's what I mean. I can't do anything about this. I can't make tools that fit into what's left after they spend all their money. They have to do something else somewhere else. I can't help.

Not claiming they don't have any money.


Market forces fix all of this. Give vouchers and let the parent's decide.


Availability will dictate choice to a large extent unless there is a fair amount of overcapacity. What if there are no schools with available capacity within, say, 40 miles? What if a large region has exactly one company operating schools? What if that company goes out of business during the school year?

Why aren't other countries lining up to try voucher schools? Let's see some success stories.

What are the choice criteria that parents are supposed to sort out when trying to get their kid into an available seat?


What if there's not a(n) _______ with in 40 miles? Yet loads of people live 40 miles away from a lot of things. Somehow the market provides for them.

"What if a large region has exactly one company operating schools?"

Like today with government run schools?

"What if that company goes out of business during the school year?"

Fair point. Are you assuming there won't be competition? Stager voucher payments through out the school year.

"Why aren't other countries lining up to try voucher schools?"

Indoctrination. Very effective way of controlling thought. I would recommend reading the origins of US schooling, from Prussia. https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

"Let's see some success stories."

Denmark. Education dollars are tied to the student not the school district. Their kids are pretty smart.

"What are the choice criteria that parents are supposed to sort out when trying to get their kid into an available seat?"

More choice then what they currently have. Markets, devoid of gov incentives (unlike health care and education), do a good job with oversupply.


Don't worry, _______ will provide.

Of course the Prussian cabal has been secretly controlling our schools for as long as Prussia has been a country, but effectively? And I don't see voucher schools in my state offering radically different education, but rather, just doing the same thing with better discipline and fewer special needs kids.

Most children in Denmark attend public schools. They have a limited number of private schools, backed up by the public school system, just like I described above.


"Don't worry, _______ will provide."

I know. Capitalism is great!

"Of course the Prussian cabal has been secretly controlling our schools for as long as Prussia has been a country, but effectively?"

Prussia set the model. Our country uses it for our country's indoctrination. Not a hard concept.

"And I don't see voucher schools in my state offering radically different education, but rather, just doing the same thing with better discipline and fewer special needs kids."

Why?

"Most children in Denmark attend public schools."

But the funds are tied to the children, not the school district. Doing so would create more competition in existing public schools.


>>>> I know. Capitalism is great!

I was thinking "God will provide," equally hypothetical.

>>>> Prussia set the model. Our country uses it for our country's indoctrination. Not a hard concept.

But effectively? Prove that our schools are actually carrying out indoctrination. It's not even measured. How would we know? The origins and even structural similarities don't prove the intention or outcome of contemporary education. You have to show that what you're claiming is actually happening.

>>>> Why?

Ask them. Probably because of parental demand, and it's an easy formula. If charter schools are loosely modeled on the public school formula, it's easier to move kids in and out, and to hire teachers.

>>>> But the funds are tied to the children, not the school district. Doing so would create more competition in existing public schools.

You have to prove an actual effect on competition. Without overcapacity, slotting kids into schools is a zero sum game. The system may be quite stable over time, which might suggest that something other than competition is driving quality.


Capitalism is not hypothetical and we have evidence of it. The wall falling in 1980's Germany and seeing the stark difference in quality of life being one of the more dramatic examples.

"Prove that our schools are actually carrying out indoctrination."

The pledge of allegiance. https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

"modeled on the public school formula" and "The system may be quite stable over time"

Like Detroit or LA?

"actual effect on competition."

Better quality goods and services have been the observed effect of markets.


Well, if the crown jewels of capitalism and Prussian indoctrination are a government run voucher school program in a socialist country, and the Pledge of Allegiance, then you've certainly got me. ;-)


Like Denmark!


I grew up religious and believing weird stuff. College also fixed that for me as did the internet. I still went to public schools.


Right, it barely matters, if anything the sheltering shocks the person so much when they are finally exposed, they question everything and usually end up distrusting or taking issues with the parent.


"I'm just saying that they are a good way to meet people from different backgrounds early on."

Or hate the people your government tells you to hate.


It's the other way around.

Prussian's realized when most conscripts were faced with war, they would pee their pants and run away.

"The Prussian mind, which carried the day, held a clear idea of what centralized schooling should deliver: 1) Obedient soldiers to the army; 2) Obedient workers for mines, factories, and farms; 3) Well-subordinated civil servants, trained in their function; 4) Well-subordinated clerks for industry; 5) Citizens who thought alike on most issues; 6) National uniformity in thought, word, and deed."

This horrifies me. More so that we do it here in the United States.

https://www.forcedschool.com/post/69947261758/the-prussian-m...

Their should be no government run schools. Give parents a voucher and let them decide.


Would you rather have citizens fight amongst themselves because their cultures are in conflict with each other?


Well, yes.

Let me put it another way, for the purposes of illustrating the principle: “Of course we should have a shared culture. Here it is - _my_ culture. If it’s in conflict with yours, too bad, we’re going to make sure your children are indoctrinated into it from an early age by taking them out of the home for eight hours each day, five days per week.”


Based on the levels of death caused by government brain washing the answer is pretty clear.


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