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Counterpoint: generated CSAM on his platform.

That doesn't seem like a good counterargument to me. By that logic no online service should permit users to upload photos because someone might use it to share CSAM at some point. Rather than nerfing the tools implement a sensible detection and reporting pipeline.

>That doesn't seem like a good counterargument to me.

It does to me especially since he did not implement a sensible detection or reporting pipeline ahead of launching a CSAM generation tool.


Failing to do X doesn't make Y a good idea. You haven't engaged with the argument I made favoring to instead repeat a politically charged misrepresentation.

I think it's an ok counter argument. You can't have "AI should do the users bidding" and "implement a sensible detection and reporting pipeline."

I mean that is what anthropic tried here.


"Meh I'm okay with it" is by definition not a counterargument but rather a nonconstructive dismissal of whatever it is a response to.

You can in fact have both. You can have a tool that is fully functional and separately you can have a strategy for reporting suspected violations and responding to those reports. Reports can be automated assuming you can tolerate the false positive/negative rate. Particularly in the case of a subscription service such as Claude there is little reason not to implement this other than sheer greed or laziness.

In the case of Claude in particular, an unacceptably high false positive or negative rate also poses a serious problem for the current way they do things. The notable difference is that in the case of false positives it currently runs up a bill for the customer rather than the service provider.


....or even afterwards. His response was to put it behind a paywall (= start selling it).

And all the world's payment processors and almost all governments and child rights advocates are still on there.

Stunning :)


Additional counterpoint "mechahitler" chatbot. For those who have forgotten https://www.forbes.com/sites/tylerroush/2025/07/09/elon-musk...

“Think of the children”

The problem with opt-in telemetry is that 95% of users are sick and tired of being spied on with every little thing they do.

If they really were they would turn it off. And stop using Gmail and Android.

The overwhelming majority of people don't care about digital privacy because the cost is opaque to them.

Also, telemetry when done right isn't "spying". Again, it is anonymized and used to see, for example, where the hot paths and paper cuts in applications are.


i think that in a free society, you should be able to sell the product you want to sell. but, you should give information of what you are selling to the customer.

if it has telemetry, then it is a tool the customer buys, that also has the function of listening and reporting to others, how it is being used.

you want to sell it - no problem. but tell the customer, "look, this is bugged, and it's going to tell me what you are doing. but it's a great product." anything with opt-out telemetry needs a big version of that warning on the top of the page.

personally i am not a buyer. but that's my preference.


Again: telemetry isn't "spying" and it isn't "bugging" the application. It collects usage patterns: how often is which button being pressed by which type of user.

It is not collecting data on you personally nor is it collecting the actual data you enter.


go on posthog: https://posthog.com/session-replay

"Watch people use your product" - that's their own words!

it literally sends you screen capture. and yes, you can id the user and capture inputs.

YC 2020. we love to see it.


https://posthog.com/questions/how-to-hide-text-inputs

Of course the question remains if a company has "maskAllImages: true, maskAllTextInputs: true" (and I also wonder if they hide UI elements like message titles / contents), but that's why I mentioned I only turn on telemetry for companies that seem to explicitly, consistently and robustly care about privacy and security.


And how would I know if you did it right or not?

This is called trust.

Telemetry (if it’s truly telemetry) is nowhere close to “tracking”. People conflate the two all the time. One can provide useful, anonymous metrics (e.g. “user enabled feature X”) without doing anything but incrementing the counter for “feature X”.

The “Firefox Problem” is that all the power users disable telemetry, so all the “cool” features that power users like (but never get used by “regular people”) get ignored or removed instead of improved because, according to the metrics, “nobody uses them”.


The user doesn't conflate the two, the developers do, and that's why we turn off telemetry, because its damn close to tracking.

Knowing what (vulnerable) version of software a user is using transmitted in the clear was absolutely a part of the NSA monitoring error information from windows crash logs https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/08/nsa_collects_... - so forgive me if I do not trust the developer to know what makes me unsafe or not.

If you enable telemetry by default I will do my best to never use your product.


As you can see with TikTok / Instagram usage…regular people who are not on HN could not care less about that.

Probably for the best. Quality is nonexistent vs a decade ago.

What's a good alternative though? I tried Lemmy a while back and whilst FLOSS communities there were pretty active, others not so much.

Only reason I use Reddit these days is for r/sysadmin and r/SCCM, lots of useful content there that saved my bacon on multiple ocassions - especially on Patch Tuesdays. Haven't seen this sort of active userbase and content posted anywhere else.


I have Lemmy set to show best of the last 24 hours and there's always a page or two of posts. That's plenty enough for me

Unless the GP post was edited after your response, you've basically ignored the whole second paragraph.

It’s more tangential than unrelated. It’s how conversation naturally flows, and this is a discussion board. No need to fire up a new post.

On another tangential note: you’re insufferable. If you’re like this in the real world, I can’t imagine you’ve got many people wanting to hold a conversation for very long.


You might want to double-check the cal.diy maintainer before your wish is granted..


The maintainer of the OSS fork being the company does not matter to me. Their product is proprietary now which means they are no longer worth giving money too.

I only pay for hosted software that gives me the freedom to easily leave and lose no features.


Cable internet sucks, but you’re being ridiculous. Get a seedbox if you’re torrenting that much my dude.

I believe the answers on reddit said about the same, why drag this out further?

And call the cops if the tech was trespassing.


It's not trespassing, this individual would have had to show an ID and be on an access list to get in to my community. He either was Jason Bourne or an actual Mediacom rep. He knew my address specifically was using a ton of bandwidth and he was confirmed in my neighbors home earlier.

I'm still trying to get to the bottom of why a rep would come to my house and disconnected my internet after talking to a 15 year old that was home alone. I called Mediacom and they said speaking to minors is against their policy and doing any sort of maintenance without the account holder present is against their policy.


Isn’t the answer fairly simple?

They were going to disconnect it either way, and the 15-year-old was the one that answered the door.


So why is my account still active? Why not permanently suspend my account or throttle me instead of coming to my house and disconnecting the internet and then when I call Mediacom they say my account is in good standing and tell me to reconnect it? None of this is strange to you?

Why would he ask a 15 year old what their parent does for a living or what he uses the internet for when policy says not to interact with minors?


Sure it’s strange, which is exactly why so many folks* recommended calling the police.

I’m really unsure what you want this community to answer beyond that. There’s nothing we can investigate for you.

*Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1sljeh6/my_isp...


I was more intrigued by the discrepancy of my account being in good standing and a random tech rep deciding to physically disconnect the line to my house. I do have two 1Gbps seedboxes through OneProvider and those are saturated 24/7. They transfer about 300TB a month each. Having the long-term storage for preservation at home was just a bonus.


it looks a lot like what you would do to foist a compromised router on someone. if push comes to shove, factory reset the router x2 or 3, before you hand it off to anyone claiming to be mediacom.

having a badge ID is no surety. a badge can be manufactured, using a legitimate employees identity as an alias.

camera your place up, old school con men hate that, they like it when people id each other with general attributes instead of specifics.

if you are heavy torrenting, you could be compromised and serving an open relay w/o knowing, and ANYTHING could be moving through it.

if your doing anything criminal STOP ! i wouldnt be surprised if the logs on your router are what they really want, regardless of who they are. cops or crooks.


Principled men do not become billionaires.


Touch grass


This is how you’re coming off: https://imgur.com/a/hiUyh19

You really need to calm down and act more professional.


Between that and his behavior in this HN thread, looks like I'm done buying from Adafruit. Shame, they were decent.


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