> Why do I never hear about this ‘feature’ from American products like gmail which 99% of the HN audience is using? Isn’t USA a member of Five Eyes?

There is lot of hate toward Google (and other top US companies). Especially due to autobanning of accounts, 2FA etc. at the moment people have fastmail as their darling - because they are the underdog, no AI forcing in products (at the moment) etc. It is like stripe from 5 years ago.

Most have given up in snooping. Or you need to go to proton mail but it has other issues. Every company is subject to some regulations.

at the end, if the receiver of email has to also keep it safe. Do they?

What issues do you refer to for Proton?

No access via standard protocols. Supposedly this is because they E2EE your emails as soon as they receive them, meaning you need a special client to read the emails.

Also it got busted for funding some right wing movements.

Also it got busted for sharing data with governments leading to some activists getting arrested.

This. I would have loved if this original u2f existed. Google has even removed this from their accounts.

do the meta employees that code these stuff also get tracked?

Agree... There should be some penalty to sites that want to show off their reports only to people with high end devices...

they do. You do lose 2FA with shattered screen.

Android phone can be used without google account (I do it). You cant even use Apple iPhone without.

Have you tried configuring secure boot - with - every single protection on Ubuntu /any distro?

Just google: Mathew Garrett On The State Of Boot Security implement everything and comeback.

Maybe slate with android? If you disable android in ChromeOS it a dream to use. Everything just works.

And remember normal people (i.e outside USA) already have Android phone. They just login and use. All passkeys etc. synced and running. All these are a pain in fedora etc.

No. They have more in common. I would assume this is an internal joint project.

People can install Google Services in them. Once you sign into google account then you self-certify the device. https://www.google.com/android/uncertified/?pli=1

Often people get emotional and try to baby sit (new and users that don't want to learn basics). Having a disjoint but strict, timely, disinterested connection with support forums is great. One of the great examples is coreboot or MrChromebox. He replies only when necessary.

Wait few hours. Some CTO or PR guru will post a message here.

- We are totally revamping our processes. This never happened out of incompetence. Humans make mistakes. We are contacting the client for 1 year free renewal - waiving. Will mail a coupon code. We consider this issue closed.

There's Discworld bit [0] that often comes to mind for me, where the protagonist is reading a press-release by a fantasy version of a communications monopoly:

> The Grand Trunk’s problems were clearly the result of some mysterious spasm in the universe and had nothing to do with greed, arrogance, and willful stupidity. Oh, the Grand Trunk management had made mistakes—oops, “well-intentioned judgments which, with the benefit of hindsight, might regrettably have been, in some respects, in error”—but these had mostly occurred, it appeared, while correcting “fundamental systemic errors” committed by the previous management. No one was sorry for anything, because no living creature had done anything wrong; bad things had happened by spontaneous generation in some weird, chilly, geometric otherworld, and “were to be regretted.”

[0] Going Postal (2004) by Terry Pratchett

Have we ever got any response like than from GoDaddy ever in any of these issues over years?

Any direct followup from GoDaddy would be welcomed.

What even is "security" anyway? You don't know. I don't know. It's probably a made-up concept.

Or a very long "let me explain why this is ok actually" from a "random" account

HN is the only real support channel in tech. First level customer service is AI, second level is outsourced idiots who blindly follow a script, the third level is ”Issue has been closed”

The real escalation path is going viral. Things get moving once a grievance is trending.

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