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I do think there is ambiguity in the value of a Director/VP of Eng in an Engineering organization. It's definitely harder to quantify.

From my experience, it's important to see your role as enabling people in the organization to be more effective rather than just you and your team.

That can take the shape of:

- Streamlining the hiring process

- Spend time on reducing build time / decreasing the time to run tests / focusing on local environment setup

- Reviewing how teams plan and interact with each other


Quick tips:

- Update your resume with your latest position

- Apply and take interviews with companies that you may not be interested in. This will help you rehearse and practice your pitch.

- If you are an IC, start doing leetcode and system design exercises

If you want more specific tips/advice, drop me a DM.


Maybe I haven't had enough coffee today, but what does "IC" stand for?

Do you have any tips/advice for someone who feels slightly stuck in an industry/tech stack? Ideally I want to switch jobs at some point away from what I've been doing, but don't have the ability to gain experience with language 'x' in a "professional" setting.

Due to this, I find it challenging to apply (or even consider applying) to positions that I find really interesting.


Don't worry too much, apply to jobs that you find interesting. Be upfront about it, try to show that you can learn new stuff on the job by relating to some previous experience, and if possible try to do a little project by yourself to get some of the basics and show you are serious about it.

It won't work all the time, but surprisingly more often than what you would think in my experience.


Switching industries/stacks isn't difficult for a software engineer. As another person mentioned, you should apply for jobs that interest you and see if there is a fit.

Personally, I was a Python developer for years before I joined a company that did mostly JavaScript. I was upfront that I would need a few months to ramp up on the language/framework/paradigms. For those few months, I had to put in more work than my peers so I can catch up and become productive.

You should expect a few months of struggling before it all makes sense.

P.S. Sorry for the jargon :) I was typing my response on the go.


Individual contributor. As opposed to a manager.


  IC - Informed Commander ;)
I dislike the term “IC”[1].

If employee is really an IC, then he/she doesn’t have a place on the team. It’s only OK for temps & outside consultants/freelancers.

This term implies that there are no P2P mentoring, leadership w/o authority, etc., but the truth is there are lots of that just under-the-radar, i.e. Dark or Shadow Engineering Management.

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[1] Individual Contributor


It's a standard industry term, you're pushing an uphill battle if you want to change that.

Also, if you want to pedantic (which you are a little bit) 'contribution' (ie individual contributor) in its strictest interpretation is business value that can be demonstrated on the top or bottom line. P2P mentorship, under that strictest interpretation, isn't 'contribution'. No well managed, well planned organization wants 'shadow' or 'dark' management to be occurring, even if it might be.

Thus and therefore "individual contributor" is absolutely the correct term for someone who is only responsible for their own contribution to the business.


> It's a standard industry term

It's a relatively new term. The first mention on HN is about 10 years ago. According to Google Trends the usage took off in 2009[1].

> if you want to change that

I have a problem with the adjective "individual", not with the "contributor" part. This term tries to achieve two things:

1. a better sounding term to a lowly "worker" or "non-manager", to make people feel good that they're not managers.

2. trying to put an artificial cap on the "contribution" part: i.e. as individual you're limited on the amount of value you can create for the company. The reality is some developers contributing 3x as much as 9-5s (putting 10x developer anecdotes aside).

3. it implies that managers are contributing much more than non-managers. In some multinationals there are 17 levels deep hierarchies of managers which adding net negative value to the companies they're "managing".

> No well managed, well planned organization wants 'shadow' or 'dark' management to be occurring, even if it might be.

There are lots of "shadow"/"dark" (think implicit, unwritten) processes in any organization, and without them no organization will be able to function effectively. Famous example is British postal strike, when the mail stopped being delivered once the postal workers started working strictly according to the rules.

For many corporate IT systems there is a "dark" IT app, like work-related WhatsApp groups.

For every Jira ticket here are probably several "dark" tickets.

For every middle manager, there are senior "IC"s who are fixing the holes by doing "shadow" management.

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[1] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=individu...


When you interview for your next role, you should request an additional conversation with your new manager and get their thoughts on:

1. What is their philosophy on team development? (Ask for examples)

2. What is the career ladder look like? When was the last person promoted to a Sr role?

In addition, you should lay out growth areas you'd like to focus on. A good manager should be able to work with you and chart a path forward.

On a side note: There are other online communities to help you level up while you are in your current role. DM me for recs.


What kind of growth areas do people look for anyway?

I'm like 15 years into my career, and I've grown, but none of it was necessarily intentional on my part. I've mostly grown when I was faced with an insurmountable challenge and my team/org/company would be screwed if I didn't surmount it, so I figured it out. I think it's safe to say that it was "the hard way" though


Thank you for the candidness! I've found it interesting how the story of a startup's early days morph into legends / fables.


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Systems have bugs all the time. Unfortunately, it was bad timing that all of these systems were affected by different issues.

You're better off using a jump to conclusions board rather than speculating on the correlation of these events.


I think that a feature request for AppSumo would be a Deal Counter. The idea would be that once a deal hits a specific threshold (say 100), the deal would begin to advertise that there are X number remaining. This would avoid any confusion about what people are purchasing and a way to entice people to purchase.


Too bad they didn't modify Pacman so that the ghosts have an apple logo and the pellets are Android phones.


It might be a good idea to have a follow up for this article in 6 months to see if the results can be sustained...What iPads Did To My Family After 6 Months.


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