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The topic brings an interesting melange of people together. That makes up for it and made me upvote.

I too noticed a shallowing of the piece somewhere in the middle. It started with an interesting observation but ended with triviality (like you'd expect from a synthetic mind without a body).


Really interesting someone brings this up here. It's kind of an obscure little piece of text. But I always thought, yeah, this is more or less how we produce thought, and how LLMs operate, too.

Interesting observation indeed!

You are compressing thoughts/ideas to symbols. Via a visual feedback loop your mind can operate on more complex ideas as your working memory doesn't need to hold everything at once. The term "second brain" really applies here. While you're "doodling forth" you become proficient in your on-the-fly invented symbol language.

Key is also the slowdown effect of being careful to draw properly. It's like a harness for your thought process. Fixating your thoughts on paper is a way to be safe not to go astray; like a climber who puts hooks in the wall.

It's really more complex than it seems from the outside. A picture of a group of people drawing lines in the sand comes to mind. And one wonders - once again - how language came into the world.


Lacking transparency is a red flag.

Nothing a good conversation to PNG can’t fix

Thank you for flagging this issue.

That's deeply funny since the Japanese flag is opaque white and red


As a die-hard fan since the 90ies this came as total surprise to me.

Listened a handful of times and I still love it.

Someone commented 'last album' or another 13 years :)


Life gets more distracting as we get older, and I suspect BoC care more about the art and less about the need to keep their brand alive.

Another before 13 years is up would be lush, I'm getting old! If they don't I won't be surprised, but hopefully they'll make sure more of their non-album works make it out and about. Like you, I love what they do and how they do it, and they've been in my life for a similar amount of time.

It's nice that BoC leave the art to speak for itself! As such, it's good to look at those inspired by them too methinks :)


another example of a fabricated hype.

who cares about this?


You don't need to care about the product to find the sociology interesting.


Thanks for sharing! Today I discovered the Jibun Techo. Always great to discover products made by people who put so much thought and craft in. Not surprising the Japanese excel in this art.

Set the mood for today.

Unfortunately can't upvote.. your karma says 6666. May return when the spell is broken.


I'm sure thr plan was to build a holodeck all the time..


As soon as we'll have sufficiently advanced BMIs the so called hard problem will go away by itself.

Consider probing a midlevel mobile phone at some hundred contacts. You might be convinced to have a thorough account of the physical reality yet still no idea of (and no way to know) whats going on.

To the problem of qualia.. I think it's the mechanism of the brain to default-name recurring patterns, being part of a simplification/compression process, without which reasoning (computing) or reasonably storing experiences would be impossible. I guess visual qualia like color and shape have to be the first things the brain learns and attaches "default" symbols to. Consider other basic qualia too, like to be saturated, to feel warm and then higher qualia that build on these like to feel loved or accepted in a social community.

It's difficult to argue how there could be a fundamental truth to qualia. But consider that there'd be no difference in our communication, even if your red is attached to a symbol signified by 8NCYUW6D0H5C (lets just assume this) while my red is encoded as being GAUTP1P6YUUZ (those patterns obviously have to be encoded as frequency patterns as we perceive close colors as similar without computational overhead). Eventually it will turn out, qualia from person to person are encoded quite similar, as we are genetically so similar. But consider also synaesthetia. Wrt animals, it WOULD feel strange to be a bat or any other animal as some of their sensory apparatus is so different.

To this, author makes a good point: "Today, we do not have an exhaustive external account, but this is not the same as having proof that no such account is possible."

I imagine consciousness as 'theater mode' of the perceiving mind. As such it seems to be one part of the brain that integrates all sensory inputs into one Multimodal Experience Stream™.

As to TFA.. - I'm by no means up to date to the current affairs of the consciousness debate, but - is there really a "fierce debate [...] raging"?

Check out Joscha Bach who argues consciousness is an illusion. Looking for some material to back up, I hit on this text. Flying over it I already find it more enlightening than the posted article, so I post it here (without guarantee):

https://medium.com/@mbonsign/consciousness-as-illusion-explo...

Some (citated) citations from it:

"The simulation becomes “more real than real” in our experience because it constitutes the entirety of our conscious access to ourselves and the world (Metzinger, 2003; Seth, 2021)."

"This perspective doesn’t diminish the richness or importance of conscious experience. On the contrary, it highlights the remarkable complexity and sophistication of the processes that generate our subjective experience. The constructed nature of consciousness isn’t a defect or limitation but a remarkable achievement — a way of making an unimaginably complex reality manageable for finite cognitive systems (Clark, 2016; Dennett, 2017)."

Please also note https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48180487 and consider joining my cult.


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