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It's really a shame that comment scores are hidden forever. Would the admins consider publishing them after stories are old enough that voting is closed? It would be great to have them for archives and search indices and projects like this.

I wrote to hn@ and asked for this as a feature request:

"1. Delayed Karma Display. I understand why comment karma was hidden. I don't see the harm in un-hiding karma after some time. If not 24 hours, then 72-168 hours. This would help me read through threads with 1300 comments."

This was last January. While I asked for a few more features, it is the only one that seems essential as HN grows with massive threads.


Fear not. I have a collaborative project designed to address this.

They're referring to scores on individual COMMENTS - this information isn't available via the HN Firebase API.

The only way you could theoretically extract everyone's comment scores (at least the top level ones) would be like this if you're a complete madman:

1. Wait 48 hours so the article is effectively dead

2. Post a new comment using an account called ThePresident

3. Create a swarm of a thousand shill user accounts called Voter1, Voter2, etc.

4. Use a single account at a time and upvote ThePresident

5. Recheck the page to see if ThePresident has moved above a user(s) post

6. Record the score for that user and assign it to the tracked story's history

7. Repeat from (4)


I know that! I have a collaborative project to make it sort of available.

But the idea I have is not like that at all - it's much nicer on everyone's ethics. Stay tuned! :)


He regularly delivers on promises. What he consistently fails to deliver on is timelines.

I guess that's true if you stretch timelines to infinity. I'm still waiting on:

- L5 autonomous driving

- $35k Teslas

- Hyperloop

- Lunar trips to the moon on spacex

- Humans on Mars

But I guess if we just consider those delayed, then all good.


The entry level Model 3 currently sells for $38,630. In 2016 dollars, that's $28,600.

FSD 14.2 is available to the public and anyone who has tried it can tell you it is an incredibly impressive system that is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was just six months ago and by far the best available to purchase worldwide. FSD robotaxis with no people in them have been seen on the streets of Austin. I expect that this one is within two years of being done.

As has been pointed out, the Model 3 has been below $35k inflation adjusted many times. There's been a lot of inflation, you may have noticed. And if that's not good enough for you, they did actually sell a $35k model for a while, though I doubt they made money on it.

I don't recall Elon promising that he would build a hyperloop on any timeline. In fact I remember him saying that he wasn't going to work on it personally.

SpaceX is under contract with NASA to build the Moon lander. I don't know what else you want here.

Humans on Mars is still SpaceX's main objective and their actions are consistent with that. Nobody would have started the insanely ambitious Starship program just to launch things into Earth orbit or the Moon.

I won't go through all the things that Elon has promised and achieved late, but the list is long and impressive.


> impressive system that is leaps and bounds ahead of where it was just six months

It isn't full autonomy. It isn't full self-driving.

In 2016 Tesla claimed that "as of today, all Tesla vehicles produced in our factory – including Model 3 – will have the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver."

The blog entry is no longer on Tesla's website but the Internet Archive has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20240730071548/https://tesla.com...

There were supposed to be 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020. That didn't happen either: https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil...

Tesla set their own benchmarks and timelines. Tesla failed to achieve them.

They find it easier to lie and have people make excuses for them than to actually execute.

Lying is part of the company culture at Tesla.


You clearly didn't read the whole thread here. You're arguing against a strawman. Of course Elon doesn't meet his timelines, everyone knows that. He even admits it. "We specialize in converting things from impossible to late." The question is whether he achieves things late.

> It isn't full autonomy

They have a few robotaxis doing full autonomy, driving with no people in them, today in Austin. But I'm not even arguing that the promise is achieved yet, or that it happened on time. Just that it's "an incredibly impressive system" that is "by far the best available to purchase worldwide", and improving rapidly. All indisputably true.

As for the 2016 promise, Tesla has already committed to bearing any required hardware upgrade costs for people who actually purchased FSD.

> There were supposed to be 1 million robotaxis on the road by 2020

Again, there will be, but not on that timeline. Just late. As expected.


> You're arguing against a strawman.

There is no strawman. These are Tesla's own claims and Telsa's own timelines. No one forced them into making these false claims.

> Of course Elon doesn't meet his timelines, everyone knows that.

The reality is he has lied to you constantly but you're still willing to make excuses for him.

If there's always a new excuse ready for Dear Leader then that's cult thinking.


You can have good internet on remote island chains for $50/month with Starlink. Today, being without is as much a choice there as it is here.

It's available there. And the National Telco has a Starlink community gateway capable of 10 Gbps.

My kids are spending hours of class time in school learning Roman numerals. The correct amount of education about Roman numerals is a short form video of math trivia when you're 23. Zero classroom time should be wasted on an inferior system of numerals.

Learning to read Roman numerals is secretly an exercise in mental arithmetic. You're summing numbers in your head as you go, and occasionally you'll need to keep that sum off to the side while you subtract a second number from a third. So rather than viewing it as time wasted on learning an obsolete numeral system, instead consider it as a different way to frame a math exercise.

How would one possibly hope to keep the Final Fantasy series straight without knowing Roman numerals?? It's already challenging knowing them

And how would they participate in America's annual roman numeral challenge, The Super Bowl!

When the count hit 50, it was felt by the NFL branding people that "Super Bowl L" would be too confusing. So it was just called "Super Bowl 50".

I wonder if that's the modern equivalent to the Simpsons' "Rocky V plus Rocky II" joke.

Just refer to this handy guide: https://youtu.be/8o1ieehttdA Oh wait that's Kingdom Hearts. Same difference.

This is why God created ChatGPT.

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This is great!

I already look at the roman numeral count of the Olympics and I'm like...I have no idea anymore.


I think this is worth worrying about, especially with knockoff magnatiles. The magnets are small enough to swallow. If a child swallows two they could die, for the same reason that "buckyball" magnet toys were banned: the magnets can snap together with intestinal tissue in between and perforate the intestinal wall.

Yeah the Tom Scott video is based on significantly more data. Seems weird that this person wouldn't have found it when researching this topic.

I thought this would be advocating "chaos monkey" style intentional shutdown to test institutions for resiliency in an outage situation. Might not be a bad idea. Maybe once every four years on leap day or something.

> Maybe once every four years on leap day or something.

Advantage: You no longer need to fix that leap day bug on your website.


would it be better to start the intentional shutdown at say a couple of minutes before midnight so you know the shutdown wasn't perhaps caused by the leap day bug?

In general I agree, but too much resilience can lead to worse infrastructure. Where I live, a couple hours of unannounced electricity outage every week is a non-event, so wires are patched in more and more points. And there's little motivation to invest significant money and time once to replace them by something more robust.

It would leave most developed countries in chaos, people would die because of it.

Centralized infrastructure is fragile and to the extent that the internet has become centralized unscheduled Internet shutdowns are bound to happen. The benefit of scheduled Internet shutdown is that people can prepare for it while at the same time gaining experience which helps with dealing with an unscheduled Internet shutdown.

On the other hand, if we force all systems to be resilient to an internet shutdown then we'd end up regressing society by a lot. Think about how much more work a single doctor is able to handle more efficiently by having internet access (eg. charts, patient history, access to all the world's libraries) that would be lost without the internet.

If we don't force critical systems to be resilient to an internet shutdown, we'll be doing the meme. Specifically:

Weinberg’s 2nd Law:

If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.


we do annual unannounced firedrills and now one dies as a consequence.

That's because the unannounced firedrills don't involve setting the building on fire. A "drill" equivalent would be if we all pretended the internet is down sometimes, and in some cases that still might be impossible to do without negative consequences.

Fire drills do involve denying access, though. We wouldn't need to bomb the datacenters but we would need to make them inaccessible.

If you're in San Francisco, the city essentially stopped issuing traffic tickets when COVID started. It's no wonder lawlessness increased. https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/xMUFt/mobile.png

  the city essentially stopped issuing traffic tickets
I think you mean "law enforcement" stopped enforcing established laws.


This page only applies to apps distributed by Google Play. Not apps installed by third party stores. It's still outrageous, of course.

Ahh that's a really good call out, thank you. Basically negates most of what I wrote.

Hmm, does this mean that large swaths of people publishing apps are going to flock to distribution platforms like f-droid?

(Yikes)


F-Droid only accepts open source apps.

absolutely, i get this. i assume it's going to be a relatively small subset that go open in order to jump to an open platform. i'm not super familiar with the f-droid publishing ecosystem (or mobile publishing at all, admittedly).

i do wonder if there's regardless going to be some kind of (perhaps overwhelming) inundation.


This is probably why they killed installs that dont have attribution, specifically to undercut f-droid.

Wasn't Apple just slapped down for exactly this in court, for the second time? They're really both going to fight this to the bitter end kicking and screaming like toddlers, aren't they.

https://www.courthousenews.com/ninth-circuit-confirms-contem...


I would suggest reading the ruling and not the headline.

The ruling specifically states that Apple can charge a fee , just not the fee they had previously chosen of standard rates minus 3%.

It may very well be that googles pricing structure fits in the realm of what the courts deem as fair.


I would suggest that $3 and 20% is so far outside the realm of reasonable as to be absurd.

By whose definition of reasonable though?

Without knowledge of costs of delivery, api development and support, anything dealing in terms of subjective reasonable values is just speculation.


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