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So to summarize, they were wrong to move away from nuclear. They were wrong to ban fuel vehicle at the EU scale. They were wrong to welcome 1 million Syrian refugees. They were wrong to cut off gaz from Russia.

At what point does that political class that has destroyed Europe, gets voted out for good, if not prosecuted ?


Why were they wrong to cut off gas from Russia?

They didn't even. They announced a time-plan to stop buying Russian gas eventually. Russia weaponized gas deliveries and stopped delivering. In fact, even before the war and any "unfriendly" action by Europe, they underdelivered to keep the gas storages (which they owned) low and drive the prices up. This alone should make anyone not want to buy Russian gas again.

The fact that these threads are always full of lies with all these twisted narratives show you who's doing the talking in all of them really. This thread was a few minutes old when someone had to mention that "The US blew up the pipeline" and this shit doesn't even collect downvotes or gets flagged, it rises to the top.

I clicked on two accounts posting lies and saw Russian software companies mentioned in their scant posting history, which in itself is not a crime, but also a fitting signal.


Europe has roughly divided by 5 its imports of Russian gas.

As to the Nord Stream, German prosecution services have arrested a Ukrainian national, Serhii Kuznetsov, in their ongoing investigations. The NY Times, the Spiegel, and Washington Post (all very well-known KGB mouth pieces), strongly point to Ukraine as well.

So my question is, are you really in a good position to lecture everyone about "fake news" on those topics ? I guess you were also telling us all that Trump was a KGB agent, before that got debunked in court ?


Because it destroyed the European economies by massively increasing the cost of energy.

What's chilling is realizing how little the coverage of those riots is in the West. At best, the BBC is copy-pasting the statements from Khamenei.

Thanks Elon.


Hi LucasRW! Just wanted to comment on this.

Elon?

How is this Elons fault?

Starlink is the only way to get internet in Iran.

X have clips and videos posted as the few social networks that have it. This content is not suitable for instagram or facebook.

SVT (my swedish news) have had segments on this with reporters, not in the country, but she is in Lebanon. She is arab biased, but they are reporting on it.

Asmongold (worlds largest youtuber right now and an Elon fan) is one of the few having long 45min-2h segments about the Iran protests on his stream right now?

But you are so blind your kneejerk reaction is to blame Elon Musk lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v61Md-uIYQg


You misunderstood my message. I am genuinely thanking Elon, because without X and now Starlink, we indeed would have 0 knowledge of what's going no. At best, we would have the BBC and Skynews echoing Khamenei's statements.

Sorry, I assumed you were sarcastic. That type of Reddit-tier “kindness” is so common and annoying across the internet that I just assume people are sarcastic now. Sorry = ̄ω ̄=

This is a particularly gruesome Face of Reddit.

I know you hate it, but X and Starlink are the only channels giving us information on Iran right now. If X was censored (like many leftists are advocating), we wouldn't know anything about those riots.

What are Iranians posting on X that the left would want censored?

People rising against a regime that the left sympathizes with, obviously.

Iranians describing how Isam destroyed their country within one decade (the UK establishment is very unconfortable with that truth, for some reaslon...).

Iranians calling on Trump and thanking Elon. That tends to make leftists mad.


>That tends to make leftists mad.

Being mad is one thing, but demanding X censor that speech is another. I'm not really involved in this debate so I haven't seen anything like that. Can you provide some examples of any prominent people on the left calling for X to censor that speech?


Starmer, T.Breton (former EU commissioner, the one who got denied VISA to the US going forward), google them with "X ban" and you'll have all the results you want. Similar with many other EU political figures.

I see news articles about Starmer wanting to ban X for allowing deepfakes and sexualized images of children, which seems reasonable to me. Presumably if X took steps other companies have to prevent those images, the ban would be off the table.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-x-elon-musk-grok-ai-sexualiz...

As for T. Breton, it seems they're wanting X to abide by the EU's Digital Services Act, which requires transparency in how a company tries to combat disinformation among other things (protection of children's exposure to dangerous content being one of them).

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/12/24/us-visa-ban-ta...

I still don't see where the Iranian protests or regime change there would factor into this.


Yeah thanks, so they want to ban X and I was right.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand: we don’t want your x shit in Europe. Since when is the American president so concerned about the business of a single man, who’s an immigrant himself? Anna Paulina Luna, she’s a fucking immigrant too, or a daughter of one. You have all lost your mind there in the US. Why should we be even concerned with what you want if your leader is ready to send tanks because someone said “no”. Fuck people who think like you. Take your propaganda and kindly fuck off.

"We" ? The 100 million active users in Europe, making X one of the most downloaded app on the continent, probably beg to differ.

Again, typical socialism reflexes: you dont like X, so instead f just not using it, you feel like you need to send us the police to make us not use it...

PS: do you have short and blue hair ? Just a question, don't get too triggered.


You know, not everyone on this site has an absolutist binary opinion on the Elon. Some people can give him credit for what he gets right, while simultaneously calling bullshit on his bullshit.

Aren't private DNS or PiHoles a good enough compromise ?


That can block some trackers, but does not block ads or “suggested” content. There are also some devices that have hardcoded DNS settings that bypass any local network DNS settings.


> There are also some devices that have hardcoded DNS settings that bypass any local network DNS settings.

You can intercept those as long as they're not using DoH/DoT.


I guarantee you that the vast majority of people talk about "pregnant women", not "pregnant people" like the BBC. I could quote many other small indicators like that which demonstrate that the BBC is NOT unbiased at all.


Focusing on their attempt at inclusive language seems a bit trite, and certainly exposes your own biases. It's not perfect, and we'll see how it evolves, but I'm pretty sure their only "agenda" here is to be inclusive. You're welcome to be offended by that, but it seems like a silly thing to be offended by.


> exposes your own biases

Biases towards scientific and biological accuracy?

>I'm pretty sure their only "agenda" here is to be inclusive.

Assuming anyone other than biological women can get pregnant is not "being more inclusive". Who exactly are you being more inclusive towards here? The masses of previously excluded pregnant men out there? What is that if not an agenda?

You see, this is why people hate and distrust the BBC and left leaning MSM in general and swung a lot to the right. Because they're picking the weirdest purity test hills to die on when people have other way bigger problems right now they want covered.

What people want from media is to poke politicians on how are they gonna fix: the economy, their jobs market, their housing market, their public health system, inflation, immigration, public school and childcare spots, rising CoL, addressing corruption scandals and false political promises, not to focus on making the word pregnancy more inclusive.


> They're picking the weirdest purity test hills to die on.

There is no "purity test" hill. There are simple reporters who are trying to use words that are inclusive. You're turning this into a "purity" discussion about who is or isn't a "real woman".

> What people want from media is to poke politicians on how are they gonna fix: the economy, their jobs market, their housing market, their public health system, inflation, immigration, public school and childcare spots, rising CoL, not to focus on making pregnancy more inclusive.

These things are not mutually exclusive, and I'm not sure why you seem to think they are.


>There are simple reporters who are trying to use words that are inclusive.

To whom are they inclusive? You haven't answered who exactly is the phrase "pregnant women" supposed to be excusing that it needs more inclusivity?

You keep repeating yourself while beating it around the bush not answering the question.


Do you believe that a pregnant 15 year old girl is a pregnant woman?

If so, what makes her a woman?

If not, should she ignore advice targeted to pregnant women?


Woman = all members of the female sex of reproductive age capable of child bearing in the context of pregnancy discussions, no need to be pedantic about the age and turn it into a girl versus woman argument, since if someone says "pregnant women", the pregnant teenage girls out there won't feel excluded and request to be addressed by "pregnant people".

Such a bad faith argument.


Why you are so offended by the term "pregnant people" that you insist it extends to pregnant minors?

I assume you are aware that anti-gender and gender-critical people assert that "woman" means specifically "adult human female"? Where have those people said that pregnant girls are also included as women? Which law says 16 year pregnant girls and mothers are adults?

For example, Trump's Executive Order 14168 declares that women and girls refer to "adult and juvenile human females, respectively"? Following EO 14168, in the US federal bureaucracy, "pregnant woman" only refers to "pregnant adult human females". A military doctor following this EO, in the scenario you described elsewhere here, is supposed to refer to a pregnant 15 year old in ER as a pregnant girl, not a pregnant woman, even if the treatment is identical.

I don't know about you, but "pregnant people" sounds better to me than "pregnant females" as the latter seems to strip away humanity, while sounding like a bad science fiction film.

The bad faith argument is to insist that "woman" means "adult female woman" while also insisting that "pregnant woman" also somehow includes pregnant 15 year old girls.


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You asked "To whom are they inclusive?"

I replied by pointing out how "pregnant women" excludes girls.

You said "Woman = all members of the female sex of reproductive age capable of child bearing in the context of pregnancy discussions".

I pointed how that definition is wrong under US EO 14168, and wrong according to quite a few gender critical people.

Claiming I've moved the goalpost, when I directly answered your question and responded to your counter-argument, is a bad faith argument.

Did I miss where you described why you are opposed to using the phrase "pregnant people" instead of "pregnant woman"?


Trans men are men, socially and legally. Describing them as women is simply incorrect.


> Trans men are men, socially and legally.

Legally in what sense? I don't think they're being sent to men's prisons. I hope not anyway...



This applies very narrowly. A GRC allows "acquired gender" to replace sex when sex is ascertained by birth certificate, which is only done in limited circumstances. This is distinct, in law, from actually being that sex.


Irrelevant, we are talking about gender, which is distinct from sex. It remains that “pregnant people” is a plainer and more accurate way of talking about people that are pregnant.


Your previous comments upthread moved the discussion on to what a GRC means in legal terms.


This is going nowhere because you insist on conflating gender and sex.


No I'm just clarifying what it means legally for someone to have been issued with a GRC.


Socially it depends on how well they manage to disguise themselves as male. Being visibly pregnant is a very obvious indicator that a woman who is attempting to present herself as a man is not actually a man.


Who would go to the trouble of transitioning, against the vicious judgement of some people, if not to try to live a more authentic life? I am (visibly) non-binary, and I can tell you, I don’t do this just for the hell of it.


> visibly non-binary

What does this mean?

At my workplace, one of my male colleagues calls himself "non-binary" and has "(they/them)" in his email signature. He looks like any other man to me.

As far as I can tell, it's more like a religious belief than any kind of distinct visual style.


Are you having a nice time repeatedly misgendering one of my trans siblings? I see what you’re doing. A bit of basic social respect costs nothing, you know.

And “visibly” as in I get funny looks and sometimes shouted abuse from passing cars. Is that enough for you?


So is looking unusual in some undefined way is what "visibly non-binary" means? I genuinely do not have any reference point for this description, and certainly couldn't tell if someone is or isn't based on looks.

My male colleague who self-describes with a "non-binary" identity has no obvious visual markers of this.


Discussion was about the made up pregnancy "inclusivity" bs, when only owners of a functioning uterus can get pregnant, and those would be biological women by an overwhelming majority.

You are free to call yourself whatever made up gender you want in public and social life, but to the doctor treating you at the ER or to the forensic specialist examining your skeletal remains, you are still a biological woman according to science.


No such thing as a “biological woman”. I’ve only ever heard medics in the UK use careful and restricted terms when discussing sex - “male” and “female” at most, and only when relevant. Clearly it is sometimes relevant and no-one is disputing that. The whole purpose of inclusive language is to cover everyone, not just an “overwhelming” majority. It harms no-one to say “pregnant people”; it is a plain and clear term.


>The whole purpose of inclusive language is to cover everyone, not just an “overwhelming” majority.

Science and medicine deals in absolute details, not in blankets covering everyone. When a doctor needs to treat you, they need to know your sex, weight and age, since the dose or treatment is highly specific on those variables, there's no such thing as an inclusive thing to cover everyone the same. Inclusivity here would get you killed.

> It harms no-one to say “pregnant people”

It also helps no-one now, and it also harmed no-one in the past to say "pregnant women", since no-one other than women can get pregnant. So why did it have to be changed other than for virtue signaling?


“Woman” is not a biological sex, it simply isn’t. You are ignoring that trans men (legally and socially not women), along with some intersex people (neither biologically male or female, by definition, and legal gender varies), and cisgender girls of a sufficient age can all get pregnant. Not to mention some non-binary people. So there are plenty of people other than women that can get pregnant.


Nonsense. Language evolves but not by edict. Same with biology.


This is not a case of language evolution, “woman” has never been a biological term. Also the rest of my comment.


“Woman” is not a biological sex, it simply isn’t.

> It is. XX genes. End of story.


You will not find many mainstream scientists in this area that agree with you.


That statement shows a strong left wing bias. You just happen to agree with the BBC.


Not in the UK



> Biases towards scientific and biological accuracy?

Why do you care so much about someone's biological gender?

Seriously, it comes off with the same sort of creepy vibes as someone who cares way too much about someone's skin color, or height, or some other biological characteristics.


Again: that's not how people speak. So just own it and assume your bias. Don't make up words or expression, to then say that people NOT using your stuff are the one with the bias...


You're basically getting offended at BBC reporters speaking too politely. Next thing you're going to expect them to talk like run of the mill chavs because that's how people actually speak, innit bruv?


Again, don't turn the table. You are offended by "pregnant women", and you push for subtle dictionary changes. Changing the words, to change ideas (i think Lenin created that concept).

Just assume it, instead of constantly doing psychological projections on others.


Speaking of calling out bias, your twisted definition of "inclusive language" indicates you refuse to acknowledge elementary biological concepts.


You claim inclusivity but it comes at the expense of women. Men aren’t women. Men aren’t able to get pregnant. What this type of language is doing is erasing women and excluding them.


A pregnant 15 year old girl is not a pregnant woman but is a pregnant person.


The presenter was quoting a report which had written "pregnant people", and decided to change that to "women" - which is not what the report said.

Even worse than the Trump edit (which was bad -- for want of a flash of white to make it clear the second part of the quote was from later in the same speech, not directly after)


I still chuckle when I see that enveloppe in the mail asking me to pay the TV license fee...


A bit of both, there's no doubt he's more than guilty.

But it is also clear that judges (who are notable left-leaning, if not far-left) are much more efficient at prosecuting right-wing figures (Fillon, for 0 reason this time).


The "Red judge myth"is, well, a myth. And Fillon's case was very clear and he had all the reason to be prosecuted.


No it's not. A majority of judges belong the the "Syndicat de la Magistrature", a communist-leaning organization (https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syndicat_de_la_magistrature) which even participates (despite the supposed "independance" it should abide by) to the Communist Party's annual conference ("Fete de l'Huma"). COMMUNIST, not "socialist". Furthermore, many organizations and known figures of the french magistrature have regularly explained how they view there job as having a political mission, particularly, "avoiding prison", etc, etc... rather than enforcing the law.


Your own link said it 33%, so not the majority. A union has no obligation of "independence". Being member of a union does not mean you agree with everything, just that you think it's the best to defend your interests. The "Fête de l’Huma" is not the Communist Party's annual conference but it is indeed left leaning. There is no need to write communist in all caps, it's not an insult. For your last point you'll need to provide sources.


Yeah, it's not communist, it's just "left-leaning", organized by L'Humanite, a communist newspaper (who calls itself so), known for amongst other things, for grieving the "great comrade Stalin"'s death on its front page dated 9th March 1953. :o)

And sure, belonging to a communist-leaning syndicate which publicly takes political stances (one being to say "dont vote for Sarkozy") has strictly no influence on how you deliver sentencing, nor does the famous incident "mur des cons" in 2013.


Man, the communist party (and the communist ideology) in France is pretty much dead today. They’re not even that much to the left today. They have no power and their boss has no social credibility outside of its party (see “Fabien Roussel n’est pas un camarade” songs)

Your claim that the judges are red is a popular right wing fantasy


I didn't talk about the communist party. But yes you are right, the PC is dead in France.


> But it is also clear that judges (who are notable left-leaning, if not far-left) are much more efficient at prosecuting right-wing figures (Fillon, for 0 reason this time).

This blend of comments strike me as odd. Are you actually complaining that a judicial system is too efficient at catching corruption at high levels? Is this bad? What point are you trying to make, exactly?


As I said, the system is very efficient against Sarkozy who no doubt deserved it.

It is unfortunately way less efficient at jailing or expelling multi-reoffenders, who have entered the country illegally, then broken the law multiple times, been in front of judges 30, 40, sometimes 100 times, been officially notified that they have to leave France ("OQTF"), yet, are still free to roam around until they're 101st crime ends up in the news and everyone asks "how come the non-politicized judges let them out 100 times before?"


Fillion was very clearly guilty since he hired his own wife with public money while she never worked a day in her life at that job.


This was announced in 2020 under Trump's administration.


Yes, the Phoenix fab plant was indeed kickstarted under Trump's first term.


Thanks for the heads-up.


I mean, like having to hire hundreds of lawyers and assessors to just MAYBE get a construction permit within 2 or 3 years, if you want to build a gigafactory. Or any factory for that matter.


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