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Not ideal, between sound from the washing itself plus whatever else is going on in the house, and I'd rather not add noise that others have to deal with. That said, it's certainly in the mix as competing with other potential solutions.


how are you going about this? do you intend to train/finetune your own models, or scaffold frontier models with prompts+tools?


currently we scaffold frontier models. the product is basically a context layer with custom tools that enable hardware interaction. we've tossed around the idea of pre-training/fine tuning but new models are being released so fast it doesn't make sense to build anything other than a wrapper


please skim the article. or paste it into an llm and ask the same question.


Hi short_sells_poo, in Hinduism, afaict you - your soul (Ātman [1]) is stuck in a loop of birth-death-rebirth (Saṃsāra [2]). and this is not good, and you live your life in the best way (Dharma [3], Karma [4]) to attain liberation (Moksha [5]), to be one with the God (Brahman [6]), to end the cycle of rebirths.

Thought you might find it interesting.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80tman_(Hinduism) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dharma [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_in_Hinduism [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moksha [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman


> For me, it is clearly a dead end. It can only lead to a complete annihilation of every human value.

could you please elaborate on this? why is it clearly a dead end and why would human values clearly end? any resources you can point to would be great. thank you.


Say the lifespan doesn't become infinity, but rather 10x ~ 800years. How do you imagine things to change? It would certainly mean that people can take up much more ambitious projects instead of the usual ~30 year constraint.

I do share your view that positive direction is not a given, but what evidence do we have that it would be worse than right now. Maybe we should be cautious of the risks.


I am simply saying that we don't have evidence either way, though if development of medical knowledge is any proof, we mostly keep learning how much we don't know (if you've ever faced any uncommon and thus unusual medical predicament, you'd know what I mean).

Heck, so much money has gone into preventing hair loss, and there does not seem to be a simple answer to that either ;)


Could you elaborate on the belief system?

Are you saying the gp needs to rethink their ideas on death? Wouldn't that be like accepting defeat because the problem is hard?


AGI might end up being misaligned. But the first alignment problem: Humans are misaligned


create a brain... and make it play doom?

https://youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw


i would rather ask one to think, what evidence is there that we cannot do brain on non-gooey stuff?

If i take every atom/molecule from one brain (assume a snapshot in time) and replicate it one by one at a different location, and replicate the external IO (stimulus, glucose...), what evidence do we have that this won't work? likely not much

Now instead of replicating ALL the atoms/molecules exactly, I replace one of the higher level entities like a single neuron with a computational equivalent - a tiny computer of sorts that perfectly replaces a neuron within the error bars of the biological neuron. Will this not work? I mean, will it not behave in the same exact way as the original biological brain with consciousness? (We have some evidence that we can replace certain circuits in the brain with man-made equivalents and it continues to work.)

You know where I'm going with this... FindAll, ReplaceAll. Why would it be any different?

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If i had to argue that it wouldn't be the same, here's a quick braindump off the top of my head:

- some entities like neurons literally cannot be replicated without the goo. physics limitation? but the existence of the goo is a proof of existence. but still, maybe the goo has properties that cannot be replicated with other substances

- our model of the physical world has serious limitations. on the order of pre-knowing-speed-of-light-limitation. maybe putting the building blocks together does not create the full thing. maybe building blocks + magic is needed to create the whole.

- other fun limitation of our physical model


This is actually not that true, what exactly are you saying with "replaced certain circtuits in the brain with man-made equivalents and it continues to work"? I'm certain I never saw something "man-made" like that used to "replace circuits in the brain" and it "continuing to work", in fact this would probably get a nobel for the creator if this was really proven.

Also, we don't have evidence that the processes in the brain are replicable at all, if for example Penrose's theories are correct (or any other non-reductionist that accepts the need for local identity and/or metaphysical properties for the consciousness). You need to assume A LOT of things in order to get this theory some credit, and many things we are literally unable to explain (like consciousness itself) should be reduced to those assumptions in order to make it work (for example, you must assume that is not the gooey stuff that gives rise to the consciousness in the first place, that it does not need very extremely specific conditions to exist, and so on). This line of thinking is kinda dangerous.


Note that I was responding to a comment claiming:

  > What you really mean is is there any meaningful difference in what can be processed by biological computing and non-biological computing.
  > The answer to that would appear to be, no.
So specifically to "appear to be, no".

  > i would rather ask one to think, what evidence is there that we cannot do brain on non-gooey stuff?
Because we haven't practically done it despite decades of trying?

I don't think this should stop us from trying, and it's pretty obvious it won't. But there is no proof either way — potentially the problem is so complex that we never get there in practice?

(Also note that proving a general negative statement is pretty tricky and usually avoided — we usually look for counter-examples, evaluate a full finite/countable set of scenarios, etc)


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