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> For executable applications it makes sense to not want GPL only when you want to extract parts of them and insert them into other programs.

It is very common for applications written in Rust to be split in multiple reusable crates. Looking at the main crate, that is the case here too: https://crates.io/crates/coreutils/0.8.0/dependencies

This allows for the learnings of uutils (and by extension GNU coreutils) to be able to be leveraged by any other project that needs the same functionality. I noticed on a quick scan of the dependents on uucore that other projects (like nushell) do so.


I've found that RCS works ok-ish on the Owner user, but doesn't work at all on any other (it appears as an empty message). Moving to the Owner account you can tap to redownload the message and then it appears correctly in all accounts. It's a mess that makes daily driving a secondary account not worth it

I haven't found the need for deeper integration with my laptop beyond what KDE connect is capable of, and my Pixel has a high enough resolution that I can't notice pixels :)

This will not help you in your country, but in places where it is sold, you can buy used one of the prior generation phones, which are also supported.

The interaction of secondary users with RCS is borked to all hell. It just plain doesn't work.

Firefox + stock keyboard stopped properly working three days ago, it's back to normal now. No idea what that was about. Restarting was the only way I found to get things working again during that period.

While on the stock Android keyboard, it is clear that the Google one is much better at correcting my taps than the stock one. My typo count has gone up significantly.

Every several weeks the mobile connectivity stops working and nothing short of a restart will get it working again. This might be a bad interaction of the very weird way Google Fi works with a secondary user account.

I've encountered one case of the phone shutting itself off to install an update overnight and not turning on, making me miss my morning alarm.

In the US, there's no way to side step the lack of tap to pay.

Getting apps to work with Android Auto requires some finessing.

These are the things I've encountered in the last 2 months of using Graphene.

Aside from all of that, I really like everything else about the OS. As it stands, it does lacks polish when straying outside of the common path. Not using a secondary account, nor Google Fi on an eSIM, and using the stock browser would likely improve my experience significantly.

I haven't encountered an app that wouldn't work yet (but have installed play services as I do want to use Android Auto).

I would still recommend Grapheme for normal-ish users, as long as you don't go "paranoid mode" with secondary accounts and skipping play services or don't want to use the phone for tons of things beyond phone calls and web browsing. The base experience is that much calmer than stock Android on Pixel.


Thanks for writing all this, this really shows how the failures you encountered don't overlap with my use of the phone.

I don't use RCS and Android Auto.

I have HeliBoard to replace Stock/Google Keyboard. It is way ahead the stock keyboard experience but far behind Google Keyboard's, especially when writing in two languages.

Tap-to-pay works with my bank apps. But that means I can only use one card unlike with GPay.

I rarely use second account as the latency to switch from one account to the other is a pain. I only have a secondary sending notifications to the first one.

I don't let the phone auto-reboot for installs, I let it install automatically and click reboot when I want it to install.

I am on a physical SIM / different carrier and never encountered network issues so I can't comment on that one.


I use GrapheneOS too. Most of the time it works great, with some weird bugs around group messages and needing to restart every now and then to get to a fully functional state between the browser and keyboard properly working with each other and the network connectivity going away. I do enjoy full control on network connectivity and notifications.

But beyond whether the OS is good or not, "fuck you, I've got mine" is not only sad as a position in general, it is also a bad tactical choice, because over long enough timeframes you can't assure that you can keep yours if others are deprived.


> "fuck you, I've got mine" is not only sad as a position in general, it is also a bad tactical choice

I don't think the parent was saying that.

My opinion is that it is actually the real fight: it should be mandatory for manufacturers to make it possible to have an alternative OS (which includes allowing to unlock/relock the bootloader and add custom signing keys) and it should be mandatory for big companies (e.g. banks) to not ban those alternative OSes with Play Integrity or whatever goddamn checks they make.

Fighting about what Google does on the Google flavour of AOSP is a distraction, IMO.


I agree about "I got around the system so I don't care how bad it is.", but it is at least still a form of saying "an alternative to this problem is Graphene", and that can't be repeated enough until a whole lot more people are using it, or anything else like Lineage.

Graphene (or anything else) will only stay a useful option if a whole lot more people use it so that government agencies and banks can't ignore that many people. A whole lot more people need to feel they aren't completely alone if they thought about using it, that it's actually a real option and not a kooky crap option.

Right now agencies & companies can totally ignore them all, and everything that still works today is just luck.

I haven't used Graphene myself. At the moment I have a stock rom that's merely rooted using the official manufacturer supplied bootloader unlock, and my small local credit union bank apps work, and the LG app that controls my air conditioners and microwave does not. Even if the bank apps didn't work it wouldn't matter because they have working web sites, and I never wanted an an app for my appliances in the first place.

But any day that could change.

It's just luck the banks have web sites that work in firefox on linux, and just luck there are no functions I need on those appliances that require the app.


> But beyond whether the OS is good or not, "fuck you, I've got mine"...

What about, "I got mine and you can have it to." Nobody is preventing access to graphene.


>>> I don't care, I run Graphene, and my phone is definitely mine.

I really don't see an implied "and you can too".


Graphene is available to everyone.

When was the last time you checked South Korean law?

Surprising to see that the cost of a passport is lower than the identity card.

https://poliisi.fi/en/identity-card


Yes for the most part Finnish bureaucracy works fairly well but some parts don't make sense. To get a bank account as a non-EU foreigner just follow these simple steps:

- Receive the residence permit card. This is good enough for the men with guns at the airport to let you in to the country, welcome!

- Get municipality of residence. To do this you need an address, to get an address you need a bank account. To get a bank account you need the following ID card. To get the following ID card you need municipality of residence.

- When you find some way to break the above loop, go to the police station and apply and pay for an ID card. Take the first residence card with you.

- Now take this ID card to a bank along with your passport and residence permit.

The data printed on the ID card is effectively less than that printed on the residence card. But as the residence card is not considered an official form of ID, banks won't let you use it. Heck, the corner shop won't let you use it as ID to buy booze and smokes.

The border police in ~20ish other Schengen countries should be fine with it though. Not the ID card of course, that has 'NOT VALID FOR TRAVEL' printed on it in big letters unless you're an actual Finnish citizen.

Having an EU passport means you get to replace the first step with 'register your right of residence at an office at an appointment 3 months in the future' and also means you get to skip the ID card bit, but you can't jump straight to bank account.

Of course - Finland being a solid member of SEPA, why do you even need a local account? Just use Wise or whatever. In that case, I hope you like filing everything on paper and in person because the only practical way to identify online here is with a local service provider (bank, mobile phone certificate, or smart ID card). I hear you say eIDAS, but that's not widely adopted by private companies so things like setting up internet or electricity connections are not going to be possible with that.


It depends on what problem and how you're "solving" it.

> It took me ~30 seconds to find a document to prove my current residency. Trivial for a homeless person as well. Zero excuse.

Is this satire?


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