Still, why should be Telegram paying for this, when they offer the service for free?

Exactly. I know of many public grants that you can’t get if you aren’t doing everything in the EU, and so many companies in the EU would cease to exist without these handouts.

It’s not something that the business owners want to do, but they are being forced to from above.

If they were in the same tribe they wouldn’t be excluded. Unless you move the goalposts of what the tribe is.

The more we solve economic inequality the less children people have since they have more interesting things to do with their lives.

Ah, it’s the Hysterical Guy Who is Wrong About AI again.

The sentiment that having to present our ID to use tiktok gives us the heebie-jeebies, and for good reason.

Also, nobody voted for the Commission.

> The sentiment that having to present our ID to use tiktok gives us the heebie-jeebies, and for good reason.

So push for privacy-preserving age verification, such that you don't need to leak your ID to anyone but TikTok can still prevent kids from accessing it?

>privacy-preserving age verification

No such thing.

That's my problem with the debate: people like you seem very proud to be uninformed. It exists as much as end-to-end encryption exists. It's cryptography, it's not up to debate.

But people who have no clue are very vocal about their belief that it does not exist.

I also am not aware of any, do you have any examples?

There are no active implementations that do not suffer from severe issues.

There are two ongoing implementations: one weaker in the EU boooo and one good in Switzerland. None having severe issues. Questions?

I have none, I already am aware of the functioning of the systems that have been deployed, hence my statements of fact.

Outlook is better than Gmail? This is a hotter-than-the-Sun take.

Have you actually tried both?

Used them both for years.

Outlook eats Gmail for breakfast. The way shared accounts, lists, and work assignments are done in Outlook require their backend (share point inheritance), and google drive is pretty good even for some small files, but when all is considered O365 wins.

Then if you are in Europe, you should not use any of those and other very good solutions are currently growing super fast.

The good thing about democracy is that you get screwed anyway and then you are made to feel like it was your fault.