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I've responded to similar articles in the past. I welcome this motion. Only thing that bothers me is the fact why it was not enforced earlier. I'm a H1B holder and I support this move.


Yes, yes and yes. Logged in after a long time to up vote on this. I think it takes 2-3 years for people to "get it." As you have mentioned it is indeed depressing. On the flip side, 40% of the employees are slacking off, another 40% is tinkering with their ideas (thereby not giving 100% to their employers), and the remaining 20% are still in that 2-3 years of getting it. It's not surprising that most startups and companies prey on these youngsters of the trade.

p.s. That was rather negative response. May be it's the ecosystem and how things are.

p.p.s. Good post and stuffs like this should be taught in CS schools.


At this rate, soon Uber will be a verb. Unfortunately, associated with all the wrong things.

a la "...just don't uber it..."


Yes, absolutely yes. Why can't you have point system for US vs non-US schools, language skills, job history, offers, international/national/regional awards/publications, patents (of course). It's not that difficult if you really want to. But let's be honest, doing so would polarize most of the visas towards Europe, Japan, South Korea and BRICS countries. I don't think this is going to work for political reasons.


Michael: What do you think of when you hear the name, "Sudden Coffee"?

George Michael: Coffee dressing, I think. But for some reason I don't want to drink it.

Jokes aside, best wishes. Got a trial subscription for $?



I'd like to thank these brave women for coming out and speaking against these evils. I rarely use Uber but more importantly, I'm not interviewing/working for Uber ever.

p.s. I've had one opportunity in the past that I declined due to lower pay package. Current one seems good, but I'm not going forward.

#nouber


Don't "rarely" use it. Delete it. Now. Close your account, explaining to Uber why you've done so. Tweet/Facebook/Blog about having done so. Encourage all your friends, family, and coworkers to do the same - explaining exactly_ why you came to the decision.

There really is no other self respecting choice. Sitting on the fence is condoning and enabling their behaviour.


Can confirm - it's true. I was one few years ago, made conscious effort to cleanse that attitude of mine. Feels so much better!


> ...slave labor from India... With that attitude, you don't deserve to work with the multi-cultural and multi-national diaspora of the software world.


I can confirm my employer pays me at or above market rate. I am on H1B, but never been part of the outsourcing firms.


Dear policy makers and sections of HN, please maintain this unfavorable attitude towards immigrant tech workers for at least 4-8 years. Once this (unpleasant) feeling gets under our skin we will start departing in hordes and take that American Dream appeal with us.

(Probably a very bad analogy) a product is only as good as its fan base. We are fan of American Dream that's why we are okay with lining outside in the rain for 5-10 years. May be not for long.


>we will start departing in hordes and take that American Dream appeal with us.

And where will you go? I can't think of very many nations which are remotely competitive with the US as a place for tech work. Either their infrastructure is terrible, the culture and government too corrupt, their government too oppressive, the quality of life and standard of living too poor, the ability to immigrate too difficult, or the cost of doing business too high. Various places have tried copying Silicon Valley for quite a while now, without that much success.

You could try going to China, but good luck learning Mandarin and have fun putting up with massive pollution and the Great Firewall that hampers any kind of IT work. You could go to Switzerland, but good luck affording it, plus the place is just too small anyway (the country's whole population is less than just the Bay Area). You could go to El Salvador but have fun dealing with gang crime and the world's highest murder rate. The only place I can think of that might actually become serious competition is Canada.


India for East Indians, but not right away. It'll take continuous backlash against tech immigrant for a period of 4-8 years. Then you are going to witness new Silicon Valleys growing up organically in those places.

Remember not much can be expected when everything is going smooth. That's why so many failed Silicon Valley projects.

Think 10 years, not right away.


And how will you combat the corruption?


Slow organic development under stressful foreign environment. Corruption is everywhere, it just takes different forms.


> Corruption is everywhere, it just takes different forms.

In India, it takes a form that apparently disrupts startups.

What do you mean "under stressful foreign environment"?


> What do you mean "under stressful foreign environment"? That's the whole premise of my argument. If backlash against immigrant tech worker continues for an extended period of time, think 5-10 years not 5-10 months. You can expect exactly what I have stated.

It's not pleasant to come thousands of miles away from home, leaving family and friends behind, paying proper taxes, being a responsible community member, and doing as best as we can. Only to read all these and live thru uncertainty.

Nope, Thank You.

I'd really hope these backlash would continue for a long period of time.


Maybe, but the native environment would have to be as prosperous.


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