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I'd like to see the youtuber GrowlingSidewinder reproduce the scenario in DCS. The F18 and AIM9 are completely modeled in DCS and about as accurate of a sim as it gets.

Here's his sim (at least he first few min) of the situation a few days ago but facing SAMs and not F18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7XpVcUV_vQ


> The F18 and AIM9 are completely modeled in DCS and about as accurate of a sim as it gets.

Sure, but not the weather conditions and visibility.

And "as accurate of a sim as it gets" isn't true either. War Thunder has much better missile physics.


I probably shouldn't have come off so confident sounding ( i swear i'm not an LLM ). When my 8th grader gets home, my DCS and military aircraft/weapons consultant, i'll discuss this with him him and comment again.

I play and like both, but DCS has much to improve upon

My son agreed with your assessment. I stand corrected.

They're not really the same planes, they've been continually upgraded over time. For another example, The B-52 strategic bomber is being used right now and but it was also operational during the Korean war. However, the B-52s flying today are very different than the ones flying back then. Another way to think about it is a computer with an old case but upgraded mb, cpu, and ram.

from the last paragraph of the wiki article you linked

> In June 2020, BAE announced they had completed test firings of the APKWS from a ground launcher for the first time

so it seems like they've got them launching from the ground. That seems like a real possibility to defend against these kinds of drones. However, I don't think it's a problem of technology or cost right now but of availability.


Ukraine has been using the originally air-to-air missiles AIM-120 launching them from the ground.

> Something like the Phalanx only not $50k/burst.

i was going to say, CRAM would be effective at a close, slow moving, predictable target. The rounds self-destruct based on a timer if they miss so you're not raining bullets all over the place. It's is also portable and can be parked almost anywhere. I'm not sure if the burst is configurable but slow moving drones are easier to hit than a missile so it seems like the burst duration could be turned down too. You'd have to figure out a way to keep them from shooting down _everything_ though.

https://youtu.be/HbhOUUAPvM4?si=LCiZmTdCArD_ZN_q


hah yeah that's pretty funny. "you can count on us to pay our electricity bill!" - tech companies.

look at the stats of what the UAE has defended against, what is the purpose of those attacks? They make no sense to me.

Iran attacks on the UAE 186 ballistic missiles 812 drones

this article even states that the UAE has been attacked more than Israel itself which, again, blows my mind. The UAE is, wisely IMO, choosing to stay out of it but i mean how much can they take?

https://www.axios.com/2026/03/03/uae-iran-missiles-strike-is...


The UAE is hosting multiple US military bases and is absolutely a valid target.

> UAE has been attacked more than Israel itself which, again, blows my mind.

UAE is closer and so it is harder for them to intercept attacking missiles and drones. Israel is further and thus harder target. They have more time to destroy the attacking drone or missile, making such attack more wasteful.

Second, the goals are likely American soldiers stationed there and the defense systems themselves. Intercepting missiles can run out and Iran likely wants them to run out.


> By threatening and targeting bystanders, Iran tries to make any military action against them costly to those not involved, who will naturally apply pressure to whomever is taking the action.

i'm no geopolitical expert but the most likely outcome of bombing bystanders is more enemies and fewer bystanders.


> We're going to do it again, aren't we?

yes. It sucks but I think it's good for the next generation of tech industry employees to watch this. It's happening quickly so you get a 10 year timeline compressed into a few years which makes it easier to follow and expose. The bloggers will come, then speakers, then there will be books. Consultants will latch on and start initiatives at their clients. Once enough large enterprises are sold on it, there will come associations and certification bodies so a company can say "we have X certified abc on staff". Manifestos will be released, version numbers will be incremented so there's a steady flow of work writing books, doing trainings, and getting the next level certified.

This is standard issue tech industry stuff (and it probably happens everywhere else too) but compressed into a tighter timeline so you don't have to wait a decade to see it unfold.


Better cash in on the woo woo before it gets old! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMQuBTGr52I

Why would the US and Israel resort to unguided cheap bombing? That’s how you end up with wide scale civilian deaths. They’ll use more and more jdams vs stand off weapons as air superiority has been mostly established. There’s also been a significant drop in missile attacks as more and more launchers are destroyed.

https://understandingwar.org/research/middle-east/iran-updat...


> Why would the US and Israel resort to unguided cheap bombing? That’s how you end up with wide scale civilian deaths.

It is cheap and neither cares about civilian deaths. That is why. Both countries show it both in rhetoric and action. The leadership literally brags about not caring about civilian deaths.


There is basically no country in the world who cares more about civilian deaths than the US. Get out of your bubble

Lots of countries in the EU care more about civilian deaths than the US. However the US cares a lot more than Russia.

The us is indeed very interested in how many innocents its enemies kill.

70 years of bombing random coutries an causing caos and military dictatorships show that is might not apply inward.


Even if you take the current US leadership at their word, they do not. They've all but said that war crimes are on the table here.

America, regardless of what so-called international institutions say, is unleashing the most lethal and precise air power campaign in history. B-2s, fighters, drones, missiles, and of course classified effects. All on our terms with maximum authorities. No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy building exercise, no politically correct wars. We fight to win, and we don't waste time or lives.

Literally, on day 1, they bombed an elementary school and killed dozens of little girls.

When you are constantly hearing the words 'precise', 'controlled', 'surgical' you absolutely must wipe the propaganda off of your ears. A protracted aerial bombing campaign will never, ever, be precise and surgical. Doesn't matter how good the tech is. One only needs to look at Gaza to see what is planned for Iran.


First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics. Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths.

Second, the number of civilians deaths caused by USA was going up due to drones usage. That is prior Trump, in administrations that kind of cared at least a little. And that was at the time when media sorta kinda cared. Nowdays, media do not care at all.

Third, Israel is not just ok with genocide, but wants it to happen. And USA is one of the leading countries in the project of helping them. I am not singling out America here, it is not JUST America. But America is very consistent in that.


> First, USA literally officially does not care about it right now. That is the stated official politics.

All indications so far indicate the US military is in fact still trying to minimize civilian casualties regardless of the statements being made by some of the individuals in the leadership.

> Hegseth, Vance and Trump are proud and open about it. Hegseth was referring to literally this war when he was saying they will not care about things like civilian deaths.

I wouldn't take the statements being made by these 3 individuals as fact as they are known to lie constantly for various(usually dumb) reasons.


The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top. And the military already shown they will obey unlawful orders. They also got rid of leaders who were not aligned with Trump on this point.

Yes these three lie a lot. They are also setting the rules for military. They also already shown in actions they dont value evwn American lives much.

They had in speeches toward military telling them to be violent and unrestrained. They are leaders. If they lie, military will eventually lie. If they dont care, military wont care.


> The decision to use cheap bombing or an expensive one will go from the top.

I don't see any indications that unguided munitions are being used if that's what you're referring to. The advantages in terms of accuracy from precision guided munitions tends to largely eliminate any cost advantages unguided munitions may theoretically have.

Regardless of the statements being made by some of the leadership the actual targeting appears to be done in a way that tries to avoid civilian casualties.


Trump went on TV and openly stated we just have to accept the death of Americans. "Oh well, that's what happens." As if this conflict is an act of God.

You think he - a raging, narcissistic, racist, pedophile rapist - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens? You think He Seth - an alcoholic, "lethalmaxxing", Tate bro with nazi tattoos - gives a single fuck about Iranian citizens?


> Why would the US and Israel resort to X?

> That’s how you end up with wide scale civilian deaths.

Has Israel ever shown restraint wrt civilian deaths?


How naive of you to think that Israel cares bout civilian deaths.

whether Israel cares or not the US people definitely care and half the nation literally wants Trump hanging from a tree. The US midterm elections in November are going to make things 1,000% harder for the Trump admin and widespread Iranian civilian deaths will up that by an order of magnitude.

Back to speaking tactically, JDAMs are cost effective enough that I bet they are the only gravity bomb used. I could see using unguided bombs for things like airbase runways but i bet they stick with JDAMs for logistical simplicity.


that link confirms nothing and reiterates the point that an investigation is ongoing.

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