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This is a consequence of fascism's adoption of AI and its utter contempt for expertise. Why would we need to hire experts when the robot is magical and all you need to do is ask it like you would ask a genie?

Up and down the Trump admin (and beyond) we see this breathless adoption of AI as if it is already some sort of God.


The Yudkowsky school has produced two kinds of outcomes. The first is people who conclude that they should keep doing exactly what they are already doing: blogging and posting on forums. The second is people who conclude that they should create a violent cult and start murdering people.

The first outcome is meaningless. A belief system that doesn't actually change your behavior is just window dressing. The second outcome is both ineffective and harmful to society.

This stuff also takes air out of the actually meaningful discussions of the ways that AI will harm people via things like increased concentration of power or capital large scale job loss.


More than one million people die of TB annually, a disease that has an inexpensive treatment.

That’s not cost disease. That is wealth inequality killing people.


Vitamin K is needed for clot formation. Babies are born with a Vitamin K deficiency. This makes any bleeding much more likely to be fatal.

If your newborn is bleeding there is something wrong and you need to address it.

See my longer comment above regarding this vitamin deficiency, why shots should not be the first response, and hints at why we have this status quo.


If your newborn is bleeding in their brain, you may not realize something is wrong until there are irreversible consequences. Preventative supplementation with vitamin K seems to be the best thing you can do to address it before it happens.

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What hypothetical? Vitamin K deficient bleeding can cause bleeding in the brain. It's mentioned in the article, and it's pretty common knowledge: https://www.cdc.gov/vitamin-k-deficiency/about/index.html

We're not just talking about a cut or scrape that bleeds uncontrollably, but also internal bleeding.

> Stop trying to push big pharma products by scaring people.

Vitamins? We're calling vitamins "big pharma products" now?

> Women have been delivering babies without needing to poke holes in them for as long as there have been women and babies.

Yeah, and I'm sure that there were deaths from VKDB back then, too. I'm not sure what this obsession with "poking holes" in babies is, either. It's an injection, they're not scary or traumatizing; it's a routine way of administering all kinds of medicine.


>> Stop trying to push big pharma products by scaring people.

> Vitamins? We're calling vitamins "big pharma products" now?

How cheaply disingenuous of you to equate "vitamins" with prescription only injectable interventions administered in a hospital setting.

Let's see. Who makes these "vitamins" you're questioning are big pharma?

Here's one provider. https://www.pfizer.com/products/product-detail/vitamin_k

Here's a product datasheet PDF for another. (It also happens to mention that the LD50 for this K1 formulation is 4-5 times higher for oral vs IV delivery. How interesting. See page 4.) https://imgcdn.mckesson.com/CumulusWeb/Click_and_learn/SDS_9...

That datasheet comes from the manufacturer, Hospira, who is a "small to medium pharma" company.

Oh, wait. Oops. https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-deta...

Roche and Teva Pharma are the other 2 big ones, but I couldn't find promo or datasheets quickly so I'll leave it up to you.

> I'm not sure what this obsession with "poking holes" in babies is, either. It's an injection, they're not scary or traumatizing; it's a routine way of administering all kinds of medicine.

Tell us you know nothing about healthcare without using "health" or "care".

Did you forget that the totality of this discussion revolves around newborns who may need their vitamin K levels boosted to help them deal with injuries that cause bleeding? What, precisely, do you think happens when a doctor sticks a needle into a newborn? Magic?

You know, during the whole Covid debacle I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit talk about "misinformation" and "disinformation", because they were selectively using those terms to silence and attack legitimate, independent scientists and medical professionals who were trying to advance the public's understanding and ultimately save lives. At the time I wanted those terms stricken from the dictionary and anybody who used them fired from public service.

Thank you for giving me a whole new perspective. I now understand the urge to silence someone who is completely full of crap and is likely to cause harm to others if one listens to them.

Well done. You have changed my mind.


Stop this. We asked you not to fulminate on HN barely more than a week ago. Phrases like this are completely unacceptable here:

How cheaply disingenuous of you

Tell us you know nothing about healthcare without using "health" or "care".

Did you forget that the totality of this discussion revolves around*

What, precisely, do you think happens

I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit

I now understand the urge to silence someone who is completely full of crap and is likely to cause harm to others

I can't imagine there would be many people on HN or indeed anywhere who don't want babies to have the best health at the start of their life. It doesn't make us “good” people to use that to justify being so hostile, indeed aggressive, to others in a discussion forum.

Please have a good read of the guidelines and make an effort to observe them if you want to keep participating here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


I am completely at a loss. We've administered these injections for something like 60 years. They've saved lives. I don't see why this is controversial.

> What, precisely, do you think happens when a doctor sticks a needle into a newborn? Magic?

A small amount of bleeding? That, if uncontrolled, can be quickly treated because it's administered in a hospital setting? I don't think bleeding from injection sites is the cause of VKDB fatalities!

> You know, during the whole Covid debacle I used to seethe every time I heard some self-righteous twit talk about "misinformation" and "disinformation", because they were selectively using those terms to silence and attack legitimate, independent scientists and medical professionals who were trying to advance the public's understanding and ultimately save lives.

Is this some attempt at praising the anti-COVID vaccine crowd? Because those people aren't the unjustly silenced "independent scientists and medical professionals," they're quacks who were wrong.

This was unfortunately a waste of time, because you don't seem to be interested in hearing about benefits of lifesaving medical interventions; instead, you just want to peddle conspiracies and invoke a fear of doctors. I am only glad that I made you so angry that you're hopefully done talking.


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Is this really necessary?

Yes. We have an effective medical intervention that saves the lives of babies. Halting this because of some imagined big pharma conspiracy to make more money from new parents by charging for Vitamin K shots creates more infant headstones. I find it reprehensible.

This is a broken system. When somebody allegedly steals a backpack they get thrown in Riker's. When somebody with substantial power causes a whole bunch of people to die in aggregate via pollution, misinformation, or whatever our society has no mechanism to punish them.

We had “are women ruining the workplace” articles in major news outlets last year.

Google is also doing layoffs. They just aren't making the news because they are PA by PA and they are preceded by buyouts. But we've had layoffs every year since 2023.

American oil companies maybe. But America?

Today more than one million people die annually of TB, a disease that is completely treatable with a fairly inexpensive medicine. We could pretty much eliminate TB from the entire world if we just distributed this medicine differently than we currently do. Yet still there will be thousands of deaths due to TB today.

Why would some fancy new gene therapy be different? We already know what happens when we have a treatment for a deadly disease. People without money still die from it.


Unless AI can solve the "people with access to capital would prefer to keep it rather than share it freely" problem, this doesn't actually lead to human flourishing. You need to pay for the labor-bot and you don't have any money to do so because there are no jobs available for you.

Given that AI doesn't seem to be solving the allocation problem even for things like distributing fairly inexpensive TB drugs to people who need them, I'm not holding my breath.


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