Why? Is there an alternative? Considering opportunity cost in which parts of my entrepreneurial endeavors I choose to spend time on; self hosting web-servers for a blog does not have anything resembling good ROI.
When I was younger I thought it is cool to be admin and have access to stuff, run things on my own being like Neo in Matrix.
Then I had admin access to wi-fi router in dorm, it stopped being funny when people shitty laptops could not connect and they would blame you or for any kind of connection issue for that matter :)
Then I had a job with support duty, 1 A.M. calls because you need to check logs are not cool.
Now I don't want to have any privileges unless I really cannot do my work. If I don't have to run some application and someone else is getting called for outage or I can say that is our provider can't do much - I am definitely making company I work for - pay to another company and stay out of equation.
If I run some software for myself by myself I am not going to pay for that - but as soon as other people are involved I would tell them to go and buy that service. If it is work related even more so.
Yep. Again, the nuance of this point is lost on the "homelab" crowd, but if you're in a software business, your software is what your business is.
Not running a monitoring platform, not running a logging system, not building your own PaaS. Outsource this as much as possible to 3rd-party agents with a sizable economy of scale.
Nearly all engineering teams(outside of FAANG) simply aren't resourced to re-invent the wheel over and over, especially when it means providing after-hours support for the wheel as well.
Agree to a point. I'd say that "nearly all" teams outside those in medium to large companies aren't resourced enough to maintain existing well-packaged wheels. It's a gradient, not a binary. If you've got someone who's capable of deploying EKS and setting up a CI/CD that lets developers move quickly, it mightn't be a big deal for them to deploy the Grafana stack (loki, mirmir, grafana) and have logs and metrics on the cheap. Log/metric/APM services can get ludicrously expensive and unless you're in fintech, you might only need them for debugging and capacity planning.
I know this utterly misses the larger point of your comment, but:
> They used Ansible scripts to spin up various AWS services
This seems less about using the "cool/new" tech... rather it's about using the "right" tech. Config management tools like Ansible/Chef/Puppet are very much previous-generation when it comes to cloud infrastructure.
They... can manage cloud infrastructure, but they were created prior to the ubiquity of cloud deployments, and the features are glued on. Not choosing a more modern IaC framework tells me they(those devs) were going to be making sub-optimal implementation decisions regardless.
Yeah, this project was several years old. Take this with a grain of salt, I'm not familiar with timelines in terms of k8s, but I would guess that it had not yet risen to popularity as it has in more recent years.
Jira is bad, but the worst part about it is that it makes it non-trivially more likely you'll also be using Confluence, which is an absolute blight upon the software landscape.
> I hate that people are doing all these weird gymnastics to reconcile being a champion of free speech and firing people that criticize you.
You're just seeing the psychic ripples of all the Elon fanboys and pseudo-libertarian technofascists wrestling with the cognitive dissonance of their savior turning out to be a pretty vanilla corporate capitalist.
After all the chest-thumping and general toxicity I find their discomfort endlessly amusing.
Your logic is unfortunately being cast into the reason-devoid abyss of HN commenters consistently overestimating the value of the lone wolf, "competent" Linux admin.
Say you don't understand opportunity cost in software development without saying it.
I won't delve too deeply on the obvious: most "competent Linux sysadmins" have a very over-inflated sense of their own skill set, and tend make for toxic team members.
Most software development shops are in the business of developing their particular software, not deploying and self-managing DVCS, much less hosting, monitoring etc...
Sure, could one person set up a Git/GitLab system? Absolutely. Can they operationalize it effectively? Not really... the bus problem is a thing and anyone that thinks tying the entirety of a system's uptime to one individual is an operational improvement over GitHub's outage SLA is deluding themselves.
Just joined a company that self hosts Gitlab (and everything else, there's zero cloud) but is 100% remote. So far everything has been seamless and there's a large enough infra team to solve these issues if they arise :)
As I wrote, it's a matter of what you focus on - I've run CI systems and internal git hosts for large organizations as part of my work. There are very valid reasons to do so, but cost alone is rarely a compelling one - an on-site enterprise gitlab license is roughly as expensive as hosted github seat, and the community edition is somewhat limited.
And it's definitely possible to run gitlab or any other git hosting solution on-site with little downtime. There's no magic or arcane knowledge involved. It just takes serious effort to do so - more than a single lone wolf sysadmin can provide. All their skills are worth nothing if they're sick and in hospital or on a beach holiday.
At some point you will need a pack of fierce sysadmins, not the lone wolf, as dangerous he might be.
If you forget to scale your ops team, you gonna have problems.
Guess it's a strategy thing: do I want to rely on a third party or do I want to manage my own people and processes for this. In any case I habe to assess the risks and plan ahead.
> At some point you will need a pack of fierce sysadmins, not the lone wolf, as dangerous he might be.
Maybe, but also maybe not. And then that still doesn't mean I want them to focus on running git/gitlab. I mean we're doing stuff that revolves around the rust compiler and we have operations people easily capable of running gitlab around, but their primary task is something else - they're building systems on top of that. Do I want to re-task - or even just side-track them - into running gitlab?
Once you reach a certain size, you can have an internal ops team that's responsible for providing internal infrastructure, but to what extend is that really different from giving github/gitlab money? They'll be about as far removed from the individual teams they're serving as github is. Is that really something I want to put organizational effort into, distracting the org from achieving the goal? It's all tradeoffs.
Despite the zealous beliefs of the visionary, thought-leader techbro space that Musk's every move was to drive civilization forward in some kind of libertarian, technocrat utopia, it seems very clear at this point every one of these moves was absolutely a self-serving narrative shield around incredibly typical corporate/rich-person bad behavior.
Oh but who could have seen this coming except oh wait everyone.
The schadenfreude has been hilarious. Twitter has been blessedly devoid of the kind of chest-thumping he typically elicits and it has been glorious.
The divide here about Elon is much deeper than I anticipated.
It’s crazy how one sided HN is. Seems entirely subjective and political. If one were to read the comments here, the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.
These 3 things mix together in a toxic cocktail of hate (or love) depending on which side of the table you’re on. The sides of the table are primarily determined by 1) and the 2) and 3) are glued together to fit the narrative.
It was an intentional hyperbole to thrust a point across if you didn’t read between the lines. I thought it was obvious. I could improve in my message though.
I do expect more from HN than vitriol of this sorts.
I've been around here long enough to realize that when discussions are leaning one way, I become extremely skeptical of the situation. Not going to address your ad-hominem slant, but I hope you can empathize with where my skepticism comes from. This forum tends to usually have a great discussion between opposing viewpoints, except here.
> the only conclusion would be that Elon is the force of evil and a reincarnation of satan.
Speaking of one sided... I'd argue there are many more nuanced conclusions you could derive.
I'm sure there have been comments towards him that are ad-hominem accusations of "evil", but in general and this thread specifically I think it's his virtue signaling around "free-speech" and "innovation" rightfully being called out for what they are; self-serving and quite vanilla capitalist maneuvering.
Setting up straw-man arguments like you've done is the same kind of defensive, fallacious reasoning his aforementioned zealous followers engage in.
Like Rick & Morty and Jesus, the worst thing about Elon tends to be his fans.
This is of course, correct, but it is something not exclusive to Elon Musk, you just have to read the stream of accolades some of the darlings of this site receive here when they are just your run of the mill capitalists with all the usual interests and biases.
Yep. You’d think Patrick Collison of Stripe invented the internet based on the praise he receives here rather than the reality that he made a PayPal clone with some custom branding options.
Brian Chesky directly ripped off a popular free product called CouchSurfing then said “ok same thing but I get to be a billionaire, local housing markets lose long term rentals in exchange for teenage keg parties, and I get to buy virtue signaling billboards all over SF cause I get to be rich AND morally superior.”
Then after we lionize those guys we can make fun of the Musk fan club.
